House votes to decriminalize marijuana at federal level

[PEPPERJAX]

All this fighting would end if you just smoked a bowl together.

Now that is what I am talking about.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Impossible. you have swore up and down for multiple pages that taxes on churches was un Constitutional, and that they would all shut down if it happened.

some services would be lost. not all of them. but it would also lead to churches being more efficient with their money, which is needed regardless of taxation. and if they met my threshold they wouldn't face a penny more of taxes which usually gets ignored by you.

You sure are embellishing my comments.

Under 501(c)(3) organizations with religious missions are included. As well as arts, education, and other thins. Congress would have to change the code and they’d have an uphill climb maneuvering around the Constitution.

You want to tax them all and more. Dinkey wants to single out churches. Both stances are ridiculous.

I’ve cited the finite resources of the IRS as one of reasons why the government shouldn’t bother. Again - they (and the code) exist to collect revenues to operate the government. NOT to punish certain organizations. The leftists embrace the possibility of the latter.

 

[LouderVol]

You sure are embellishing my comments.

Under 501(c)(3) organizations with religious missions are included. As well as arts, education, and other thins. Congress would have to change the code and they’d have an uphill climb maneuvering around the Constitution.

You want to tax them all and more. Dinkey wants to single out churches. Both stances are ridiculous.

I’ve cited the finite resources of the IRS as one of reasons why the government shouldn’t bother. Again - they (and the code) exist to collect revenues to operate the government. NOT to punish certain organizations. The leftists embrace the possibility of the latter.

except that is EXACTLY what the current laws are doing. it is punishing certain non-religious organizations on the grounds that they are nonreligious.

you can not argue taxes on churches are a punishment, unless they are also a punishment on us. that is unequal treatment on the grounds of religion which is NOT allowed under our Constitution. what the tax code says doesn't override the Constitution.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Nope. Simply stated that I'd tax a church before a casino and the Jesus harpies started squawking.

So by that logic, we should all be wearing diapers

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

its the government, they should be hitting everyone equally, good, bad, or neutral.

I don't know about dink, but my stance is if you claim to be a charitable organization you have to prove some set level actually goes to charity. I don't care if you are a church, planned parenthood, or some private university. you hit that bar that is the same across any "type" of charity and you get/keep the 501c benefits, you fall below it, get ready for the IRS.

I don't think there should be any taxation. It's straight up theft.

It's amazing that there are people on here supporting more taxation by the .gov.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

except that is EXACTLY what the current laws are doing. it is punishing certain non-religious organizations on the grounds that they are nonreligious.

you can not argue taxes on churches are a punishment, unless they are also a punishment on us. that is unequal treatment on the grounds of religion which is NOT allowed under our Constitution. what the tax code says doesn't override the Constitution.

Which organizations are being punished and suffering from unequal treatment? You don’t get the concept of the not for profit legal structures. It is income that gets taxed and shared with the IRS.

No, tax code will be challenged when it isn’t constitutional. Religion is one of 4 specific elements outlined in the 1A. Press which is not for profit is also exempt. Press with the purpose of earning a profit is taxed. Religious entertainment is taxed. Practicing religion is not taxed and if attempted isn’t constitutional.

The idea of taxing religion is hate based.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I heard if you say "it's hate based" enough you'll still be incorrect and trying to manifest your own butthurt.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I heard if you say "it's hate based" enough you'll still be incorrect and trying to manifest your own butthurt.

Taxing churches certainly isn’t going to be a net fiscal positive for the government, so for what other reason would it be proposed? Perhaps to sic the government on an element of society that is disliked by a toxic element of actual deplorables?

 

[MercyPercy]

Taxing churches certainly isn’t going to be a net fiscal positive for the government, so for what other reason would it be proposed? Perhaps to sic the government on an element of society that is disliked by a toxic element of actual deplorables?

I thought liberals were supposed to play the victim card but you're practically the Michael Jordan of whinging in this thread.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I thought liberals were supposed to play the victim card but you're practically the Michael Jordan of whinging in this thread.

I’m just replying to the multiple leftist looneys that keep quoting me.

I don’t think that you know the difference between whining and bringing facts that counter their ignorant arguments?

 

[MercyPercy]

I’m just replying to the multiple leftist looneys that keep quoting me.

I don’t think that you know the difference between whining and bringing facts that counter their ignorant arguments?

"They want to tax them because they hate jesus" is an opinion, not a fact, and you have been repeating it like a mantra heard echoing out of a padded room.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

"They want to tax them because they hate jesus" is an opinion, not a fact, and you have been repeating it like a mantra heard echoing out of a padded room.

I doubt that I repeated that comment a single time.

Do you understand that comments can include facts and opinions?

Padded room? You and your cult sure like to throw around the insults. Probably because that’s all you can bring after failing to post valid arguments.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

It’s odd to suggest that my comments are opinions rather than facts. What have these VN leftists posted other than opinions and insults?

 

[MercyPercy]

Taxing churches is a hateful, lazy talking point. Charities aren’t taxed. Country clubs aren’t taxed. Political organizations aren’t taxed.

Churches generally get their revenue from members and a vast majority of them do good work for society. They also create lots of jobs and the employees are taxed. Individuals pay most of the federal income taxes.

Taxation is supposed to exist to generate revenue to operate government entities. It isn’t supposed to be to punish certain groups and people. Leftists forget the former and embrace the latter.

Small churches and charities don’t have the expensive lawyers and accountants to interpret costs and creatively categorize them as expenses to suit the government’s rules. Churches specifically meet the criteria by simply having services. When they also serve communities that’s added value. Abortions are quite a stretch to label as charitable use of donations.

Churches relieve a great deal of the burden that would fall to governments, so their tax status is very well deserved. A group of nuns started the national network of food banks. Locally a coalition of churches started the ones (Knoxville, Chattanooga, Tri-cities) in East Tennessee from the ground up.

Even the wealthy churches generate massive revenue for governments. The preachers and others on their payrolls are taxed. The construction companies that have built a half million churches in this country have contributed huge revenues to the government.

It’s just hateful rhetoric to call for churches to be taxed. The government doesn’t have the resources or the good and fair judgement to determine which churches are using their funds appropriately. Plus they’d also spend a fortune losing court battles over which 1st Amendment rights they’ve trampled.

Which organizations are being punished and suffering from unequal treatment? You don’t get the concept of the not for profit legal structures. It is income that gets taxed and shared with the IRS.

No, tax code will be challenged when it isn’t constitutional. Religion is one of 4 specific elements outlined in the 1A. Press which is not for profit is also exempt. Press with the purpose of earning a profit is taxed. Religious entertainment is taxed. Practicing religion is not taxed and if attempted isn’t constitutional.

The idea of taxing religion is hate based.

Taxing churches certainly isn’t going to be a net fiscal positive for the government, so for what other reason would it be proposed? Perhaps to sic the government on an element of society that is disliked by a toxic element of actual deplorables?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Which ones say “tax Jesus”?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

It’s odd to suggest that my comments are opinions rather than facts. What have these VN leftists posted other than opinions and insults?

Still waiting.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I’ve also made an economic and fiscal case for why a Jesus / Vishnu / Moses / Muhammad / etc tax is a ridiculous suggestion. Crickets.

The Rastafarians aren’t even given a voice.

 

[MercyPercy]

Still waiting.

Who are you referring to as the "vn leftists"? I'm responding to your posts. The main individual I see you discussing this with is @LouderVol and he has rightly pointed out that you have changed your objections throughout the entire conversation.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Who are you referring to as the "vn leftists"? I'm responding to your posts. The main individual I see you discussing this with is @LouderVol and he has rightly pointed out that you have changed your objections throughout the entire conversation.

Anybody can answer. Where are any of their facts? Maybe I’ve missed them. I see lots of their opinions. I was called out for posting my opinions. I’ve cited information directly from the IRS code and guide and the BoR.

Changed objections? That’s wrong. I’ve added more support throughout.

There’s not a valid economic reason to sic the government on the tax status of churches.

Taxing everybody is a ridiculous stance.

The IRS isn’t going to devote resources if there’s not going to be a net positive financial outcome for them.

Singling out churches raises constitutional issues which would put the IRS at risk if litigated.

My OBJECTION throughout has remained centered around a suggested attack on religious freedom.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think there should be any taxation. It's straight up theft.

It's amazing that there are people on here supporting more taxation by the .gov.

that is a completely separate argument as I have said multiple times in this thread.

if the government is going to tax, everyone should be subject to the same requirements regardless of religious affiliation or not.

 

[LouderVol]

Which organizations are being punished and suffering from unequal treatment? You don’t get the concept of the not for profit legal structures. It is income that gets taxed and shared with the IRS.

No, tax code will be challenged when it isn’t constitutional. Religion is one of 4 specific elements outlined in the 1A. Press which is not for profit is also exempt. Press with the purpose of earning a profit is taxed. Religious entertainment is taxed. Practicing religion is not taxed and if attempted isn’t constitutional.

The idea of taxing religion is hate based.

donating to the church is PRACTICING your religion? You really are a Prosperity Gospelite.

as I have laid out multiple times, and you continue to ignore, if the money is ACTUALLY going to a charitable cause it would be tax free under my system. any money that doesn't go to a charitable cause, should be taxed. regardless of who gives it or receives it. There should be no special tax category for money earned that goes to pay someone's income, pays for capital improvements, or organizing an event because they are religious. that money should be taxed like any other companys' income is taxed, and yes the individual is still taxed.

 

[LouderVol]

Anybody can answer. Where are any of their facts? Maybe I’ve missed them. I see lots of their opinions. I was called out for posting my opinions. I’ve cited information directly from the IRS code and guide and the BoR.

Changed objections? That’s wrong. I’ve added more support throughout. yes you have. your objection started out as it was hateful. then it turned into there is no money in it. then it was the IRS can't handle it. those are each separate objections that have no support for each other. I may have the order slightly wrong in which your objections came.

There’s not a valid economic reason to sic the government on the tax status of churches. never said there was. here you go again making stuff up and lying about what others have said.

Taxing everybody is a ridiculous stance. I am sorry I thought this was America where we were all supposed to be equal under the law?

The IRS isn’t going to devote resources if there’s not going to be a net positive financial outcome for them. fricking lolllllllllll. The IRS came after me for a $400 dollar discrepancy on the tax refund they sent me. 100% their mistake not mine, they ended up getting $53 bucks of interest from me. Biden just hired 47,000 more agents to track $600 bucks in digital wallets. they go after whoever the eff they want, regardless of return. I am pretty sure you have a background in taxes, so I KNOW you know your statement here was complete BS. because under this logic there would NEVER be an audit of individual income tax filers, but there are thousands each year.

Singling out churches raises constitutional issues which would put the IRS at risk if litigated. again here you are straight up lying about what I am saying. nothing would be targeting churches. they would just be subject to the same TAX laws as anyone else. And its not a Constitutional issue because ALL the other laws in the nation also apply to churches without a Constitutional problem.

My OBJECTION throughout has remained centered around a suggested attack on religious freedom.

and I have pointed out multiple times YOUR, or anyone else's, religious freedom is not threatened by taxes on churches. you have even admitted to being ok with taxes on religious entities, when they make money. the tax has NOTHING to do with them being a church/religious. Them being a religious institution has nothing to do with the taxes, it would be the same taxes that EVERYONE faces. just because the law is applied equally doesn't equal hate, it means equality, which yes sucks sometimes, but that is the purpose of the government, treat everyone equally.

and you keep saying that the IRS wouldn't get enough money to be worth it. but then turn around and state that if churches were taxed that so many services would be cut, implying a lot of money is going to taxed away. which is it? No return for the IRS, or great loss from the churches that shuts down charities everywhere?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

and you keep saying that the IRS wouldn't get enough money to be worth it. but then turn around and state that if churches were taxed that so many services would be cut, implying a lot of money is going to taxed away. which is it? No return for the IRS, or great loss from the churches that shuts down charities everywhere?

Not for profits, not churches. You want to tax them all.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

and I have pointed out multiple times YOUR, or anyone else's, religious freedom is not threatened by taxes on churches.

You’re very naive if you don’t believe that the IRS wouldn’t be weaponized and politicians will pick and choose which messages they dislike and will go after those voices.

Right now even Westboro Baptist is allowed to protest. That’s the price of freedom.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

donating to the church is PRACTICING your religion? You really are a Prosperity Gospelite.

And the insults continue.

Yes. Churches need donations to fund their operations.

If a group of people pool their money to create and fund a church, why should the government get a percentage?