How do you feel about these questions?

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wellway16 said:
So, what are we to do about the educational system?? Get rid of it?? I think that if we start to repair it from the ground floor up, we'll reap long term benefits from it. No doubt, we've thrown away money doing it in the past, but its just something that needs to be done. One thing I think we owe all children, is the access to a quality education.

Well, the race card, along with no tangible economic holdings, seem to have some validity when we look at what's going on in Africa. We'll run to Iraq because we have a stake in the ground there. I don't think anyone is against getting rid of a suicidal murderer, regardless of race.
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Start by getting rid of the teachers union! Throwing money at the school system has proven to be futile. Parents need to be more involved and not ALLOW their kids to fail. We as a society believe that it is the school systems responsibility to see our children get a good education, this is flawed logic. It is our responsibility as parents to make sure they get it. Not all kids are going to excel in school and watering down the curriculum the way they have is not doing the kids any favors.
 
#27
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wellway16 said:
So, what are we to do about the educational system?? Get rid of it?? I think that if we start to repair it from the ground floor up, we'll reap long term benefits from it. No doubt, we've thrown away money doing it in the past, but its just something that needs to be done. One thing I think we owe all children, is the access to a quality education.
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And they actually have access to quality education now?

Getting rid of it and starting over would be a good place to start. It reminds me of the houses I used to help rebuild in the summer. Most would have been better off just tearing down and rebuilding but we just fixed the trouble spots and added a few more years to their existence. The people living in them couldn't be inconvenienced for the length of time it would take to put the best solution in place. Eventually you just bite the bullet and quit throwing money at a problem that won't fix itself.

And as KB said, remove the influence of the teachers union and things would turn around.
 
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Good luck with getting rid of the teacher's union. A freind of mine is a music teacher for a middle school in Morristown, and we were arguing one day about the unions. She told me that there is such an "us vs them" mentality (between the teachers and the parents), that if a parent gives them a problem and they decide to swotch schools, that teachers have been known to e-mail other teachers and discuss and warn about them, and even give them a hard time. Sounds like the mafia.
 
#29
#29
The teachers unions are so tied in with the democrats it would be very hard to get rid of but it is something that needs to be done IMO.
 
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#31
Fine Vol said:
I feel the bulk of tax money should be spent on?

How do you feel about outsourcing American jobs to other countrys?

We should keep being the world police or mind our own buisness?

The biggest issue facing America right now is?
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Tax money should be spent on the things that are needed to keep the governtment working. But I also think we need a flat tax and that the govt wastes more money than they spend on things they actually need.

Outsourcing should be frowned upon, but not forbidden.

Mind our own business.

The generations of people who rely on the check from the govt as their only income.
 
#33
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Fine Vol said:
I feel the bulk of tax money should be spent on?

How do you feel about outsourcing American jobs to other countrys?

We should keep being the world police or mind our own buisness?

The biggest issue facing America right now is?
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1) Defense, Education, Health Care... most important... and right off the top of my head. Way too much pork in the budget... it would be nice to see our debts going the other way.

2) It depends on who's doing the work. I dont like to think that I buy my shoes from New Balance that has had them sewn together in a factory in China by a 10 year old little girl that works for $0.50 an hour. But I know it does... if done responsibly, I have no problem with sharing the wealth and long as American interests are looked at first... meaning exploring the idea of putting factories in the US first instead of abroad.

3)Mind our own business... end of story.

4)Americans. Rome wasnt conquered from outside at the onset... it was conquered from within first. One day in the distant future the same fate will befall the US.
 
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CovVol said:
1) Defense, Education, Health Care... .
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Holy Toledo. You actually want our inept and inefficient government to remove the free market forces even further from the healthcare system? It will be a sad day when I can get better care in Canada than I can at home.
 
#35
#35
BigPapaVol said:
Holy Toledo. You actually want our inept and inefficient government to remove the free market forces even further from the healthcare system? It will be a sad day when I can get better care in Canada than I can at home.
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It will be a sad day in Canada as well if we get UHC.... how many Canadians come here for surgery etc?
 
#36
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BigPapaVol said:
Holy Toledo. You actually want our inept and inefficient government to remove the free market forces even further from the healthcare system? It will be a sad day when I can get better care in Canada than I can at home.
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I didnt say remove free market. Of course you are going to get what you pay for... but at least some type of blanket coverage for every American citizen no matter you income. I know plenty of honest people that make an honest wage and still have a hard time finding decent heath care.

When I was in High School, I hurt my wrist and went to the local health clinic thinking it was just a mild injury... the doctor told me I had sprained it and sent me packing. 2 months later (after football season)... it still hurt like hell, figuring it was just still sore cause I never had time to recover, so I went to a more seasoned doctor that diagnosed me with a broken navicular(sp?) and I spent 6 months in a cast. I wouldve played anyway... regaurdless of what the first doctor told me but the point being is that he wasnt very thorough and it was a government clinic. I couldnt imagine what else this guy misdiagnosed. I'd like to think that we can do better than that. Maybe it's just my experience, but it wasnt a good one.
 
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CovVol said:
I didnt say remove free market. Of course you are going to get what you pay for... but at least some type of blanket coverage for every American citizen no matter you income. I know plenty of honest people that make an honest wage and still have a hard time finding decent heath care.

When I was in High School, I hurt my wrist and went to the local health clinic thinking it was just a mild injury... the doctor told me I had sprained it and sent me packing. 2 months later (after football season)... it still hurt like hell, figuring it was just still sore cause I never had time to recover, so I went to a more seasoned doctor that diagnosed me with a broken navicular(sp?) and I spent 6 months in a cast. I wouldve played anyway... regaurdless of what the first doctor told me but the point being is that he wasnt very thorough and it was a government clinic. I couldnt imagine what else this guy misdiagnosed. I'd like to think that we can do better than that. Maybe it's just my experience, but it wasnt a good one.
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very ironic that you're asking the same outfit to find a workable solution

In fact, if we could get the massive gov't regulation out of the industry, we could make the care and the insurance more affordable for everyone.
 
#38
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BigPapaVol said:
very ironic that you're asking the same outfit to find a workable solution

In fact, if we could get the massive gov't regulation out of the industry, we could make the care and the insurance more affordable for everyone.
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It is ironic... I see your point, but I do have faith in the government... moreso than anything else. Maybe a bit misguided at times, but the system works if resposible decisions are made and the first responsible decision any government makes is looking after their own. If we took all the money being dumped into a very costly war and put it back into the communities that surround us, dont you think it would make a positive impact? Quality healthcare at the local level is important and with federal funding to get the equipment and physicians that are needed to provide such needs to people that cannot afford.

My experince with goverment healthcare isnt confined to local clinics. I have a couple of stories I could bore you with about my experience with the doctors from the US Navy... they were utterly and completely terrible... I'll just leave it at that. All that does is make me want to improve it more, instead of letting things deteriorate past the unacceptable levels they are already at.
 
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CovVol said:
It is ironic... I see your point, but I do have faith in the government... moreso than anything else. Maybe a bit misguided at times, but the system works if resposible decisions are made and the first responsible decision any government makes is looking after their own. If we took all the money being dumped into a very costly war and put it back into the communities that surround us, dont you think it would make a positive impact? Quality healthcare at the local level is important and with federal funding to get the equipment and physicians that are needed to provide such needs to people that cannot afford.

My experince with goverment healthcare isnt confined to local clinics. I have a couple of stories I could bore you with about my experience with the doctors from the US Navy... they were utterly and completely terrible... I'll just leave it at that. All that does is make me want to improve it more, instead of letting things deteriorate past the unacceptable levels they are already at.
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those atrocious MDs in the naval medicine world were exactly who you'll find populating the systems that Obama and Hillary are espousing. Being former military myself, I want no part of social medicine.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
those atrocious MDs in the naval medicine world were exactly who you'll find populating the systems that Obama and Hillary are espousing. Being former military myself, I want no part of social medicine.
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So what's the alternative? I would assume that paying higher salaries would draw a better caliber of doctor. Dont take me wrong here... Im not saying all those involved in Naval Medicine were bad... just the ones I saw. Our Chief Medical officer in my battalion had an engineering degree?!!?!?!111!! Go figure.

Ras: I assume that was an attempt at sarcasm? It isnt funny... lots of vets are being treated by the same type of physicians I was accustomed to seeing. They deserve far better.

If not... then yes, the VA need alot of improvements... add that to the list as well.
 
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CovVol said:
So what's the alternative? I would assume that paying higher salaries would draw a better caliber of doctor. Dont take me wrong here... Im not saying all those involved in Naval Medicine were bad... just the ones I saw. Our Chief Medical officer in my battalion had an engineering degree?!!?!?!111!! Go figure.

Ras: I assume that was an attempt at sarcasm? It isnt funny... lots of vets are being treated by the same type of physicians I was accustomed to seeing. They deserve far better.

If not... then yes, the VA need alot of improvements... add that to the list as well.
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Was he an engineer and an MD..I know a lot of those....
 
#43
#43
CovVol said:
Ras: I assume that was an attempt at sarcasm? It isnt funny... lots of vets are being treated by the same type of physicians I was accustomed to seeing.
They deserve far better.
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I agree 100%. But if you have your way, the same treatement that our soldiers receive in the VA hospitals is what you will find with the general public if you socialize health care...
 
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allvol123 said:
Why should it even be frowned upon?
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We should be looking to our own workforce for employees. And also look at how they are compensated and why. There is a large portion of the working population that believes the "if they pay me more I'll do more" mantra. It should be the other way around. I will get paid more when I earn it and show that I have done and can do more.
 
#45
#45
I feel the bulk of tax money should be spent on?

Protecting citizens property and life

How do you feel about outsourcing American jobs to other countrys?

Issue is seriously overblown

We should keep being the world police or mind our own buisness?

No, unless we are threatened.

The biggest issue facing America right now is?

Government officials who put their lust for wealth and power over the good of the people they represent.
 
#46
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I agree 100%. But if you have your way, the same treatement that our soldiers receive in the VA hospitals is what you will find with the general public if you socialize health care...
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So go and pay for better doctors... private practice is very tempting because it pays so well. All I say is that the government pour more funds into the kitty to pay for what is needed. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a job that gives good health coverage.

TennTradition said:
Was he an engineer and an MD..I know a lot of those....
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Nope... just had a degree in engineering that the Navy paid for. He was an alcoholic with a gambling problem to boot. It just strikes me as funny.
 
#48
#48
Fine Vol said:
I feel the bulk of tax money should be spent on?

How do you feel about outsourcing American jobs to other countrys?

We should keep being the world police or mind our own buisness?

The biggest issue facing America right now is?
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Only one of these is actually a question.
 
#49
#49
CovVol said:
So go and pay for better doctors... private practice is very tempting because it pays so well. All I say is that the government pour more funds into the kitty to pay for what is needed. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a job that gives good health coverage.



Nope... just had a degree in engineering that the Navy paid for. He was an alcoholic with a gambling problem to boot. It just strikes me as funny.
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I knew there was a good reason that I root against the Naval Academy, but now I know that it's because the Navy has no sense.

I'm guessing that you're talking about a medical services officer and not a MD.
 
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#50
BigPapaVol said:
I knew there was a good reason that I root against the Naval Academy, but now I know that it's because the Navy has no sense.

I'm guessing that you're talking about a medical services officer and not a MD.
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I dont know if was a Naval Academy grad, but the only reason I can guess that someone would go into the medical field in the Navy with an engineering degree is to pay for school. Im thinking ROTC. Most Academy grads want serious commands if they have to work with Marines. Squids hate us.

Right... he wasnt a surgeon but when you busted a knee or something like that, he was the first one you saw. Kind of a general practician.
 
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