How dysfunctional is the GOP right now !!!

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Gator does have a point, the pickings are slim and now even slimmer after Cain goofed up his campaign. Still i'd put any of them in the office over what's in there now.
 
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MG1968 said:
shortly after Obama was elected and the dems had solid majorities in both houses of congress, pundits far and wide declared the GOP was dead. Three years and nearly 4 trillion in new debt later, the dems have lost the house and Obama is unable to run on his record.

The GOP is having it's problems, but let's not pretend that they're up against some invincible juggernaut. Obama is no Clinton.
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I agree, but that is what is so surprising about this. Obama is super vulnerable. The bottom line is that the GOP's best chance to win out of this crop has got to be Romney.... and significant portions of his own party throw up in their mouths a little at the notion.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
You think the GOP is dysfunctional? You clearly have the blinders on and have no idea what is about to happen to the Ds in a year. That dysfunctional GOP is about to control both the house and the senate and the White House. Once UE is under 7%, Romney wins his re-election in 2016 and once UE is under 5%, he gets to hand pick his successor. Independents are not voting for a D in a looong time after how bad they have been burned by Obama. You think the GOP is bad now, just wait till Obama doesnt have a job and is going around doing speeches, he is going to further push away the Independents and divide your party even more with all his rhetoric.

Obama is setting back the Ds for well over a decade
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Just what we need, a two faced buffoon in office. Romneys tenure as governor, in which Mass ranked 47th among all states in job creation, sure does inspire confidence that he will turn around the UE rate. Oh those pesky facts...
 
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vol4eva said:
Just what we need, a two faced buffoon in office. Romneys tenure as governor, in which Mass ranked 47th among all states in job creation, sure does inspire confidence that he will turn around the UE rate. Oh those pesky facts...
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This is a statistic that is absolute useless when it is thrown out by itself. Theoretically, it is possible for a Governor to take office in a state with a 100% employment rate, maintain that rate through his term, and create zero jobs. I would hesitate to say that hypothetical governor does not inspire confidence.
 
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The GOP is just going to have to accept the fact that they are going to have a non-christian mormon nominee who doesn't see a huge deal with mandating individual healthcare.

This flavor of the month stuff is silly. If they had any stones and really cared about spending and government size, they would nominate Ron Paul right now.
 
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therealUT said:
This is a statistic that is absolute useless when it is thrown out by itself. Theoretically, it is possible for a Governor to take office in a state with a 100% employment rate, maintain that rate through his term, and create zero jobs. I would hesitate to say that hypothetical governor does not inspire confidence.
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He had a growth rate of 1.42% in comparison to 5.265% for the rest of the U.S. Either way, the man is not fit for the office. The man stands for nothing. He'll do and say anything to get elected.
 
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rjd970 said:
The GOP is just going to have to accept the fact that they are going to have a non-christian mormon nominee who doesn't see a huge deal with mandating individual healthcare.

This flavor of the month stuff is silly. If they had any stones and really cared about spending and government size, they would nominate Ron Paul right now.
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Gary Johnson would be an even better choice than Ron Paul... Seriously.
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vol4eva said:
He had a growth rate of 1.42% in comparison to 5.265% for the rest of the U.S. Either way, the man is not fit for the office. The man stands for nothing. He'll do and say anything to get elected.
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Again, growth rate (in a vacuum) tells me nothing. What were the unemployment rates in Massachusetts in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006? What were the unemployment rates across the nation in the same time span? What other factors were involved that a governor would actually be able to influence?
 
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vol4eva said:
Just what we need, a two faced buffoon in office. Romneys tenure as governor, in which Mass ranked 47th among all states in job creation, sure does inspire confidence that he will turn around the UE rate. Oh those pesky facts...
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MA was one of the hardest hit states by the Dot com bust. He cut spending, closed corporate tax loop holes and balanced budgets
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
You think the GOP is dysfunctional? You clearly have the blinders on and have no idea what is about to happen to the Ds in a year. That dysfunctional GOP is about to control both the house and the senate and the White House. Once UE is under 7%, Romney wins his re-election in 2016 and once UE is under 5%, he gets to hand pick his successor. Independents are not voting for a D in a looong time after how bad they have been burned by Obama. You think the GOP is bad now, just wait till Obama doesnt have a job and is going around doing speeches, he is going to further push away the Independents and divide your party even more with all his rhetoric.

Obama is setting back the Ds for well over a decade
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And you think Romney wil get UE under 5% why? not to mention that a good portion of your base will not vote for him because he belongs to a "cult".

Independants faced with a 'choice' between Romney and Obama will go with the incumbent most likely.
 
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MG1968 said:
shortly after Obama was elected and the dems had solid majorities in both houses of congress, pundits far and wide declared the GOP was dead. Three years and nearly 4 trillion in new debt later, the dems have lost the house and Obama is unable to run on his record.

The GOP is having it's problems, but let's not pretend that they're up against some invincible juggernaut. Obama is no Clinton.
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How much debt did W allow lto accumulate? He received a surplus..
 
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therealUT said:
The GOP deserves all blame for 2008 by presenting McCain and Palin as the alternative.
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Agreed. A geriatric and a 'rogue' were the worst possible ticket to put before the American people as an alternative to 'hope and change'.
 
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vol4eva said:
Just what we need, a two faced buffoon in office. Romneys tenure as governor, in which Mass ranked 47th among all states in job creation, sure does inspire confidence that he will turn around the UE rate. Oh those pesky facts...
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But he was a businessman. All that is required at this point, apparently.
 
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FWIW, Obama has not lived up to the expectations he promised in '08. But you guys have not presented a better alternative, IMO.

I actually am an independant(unlike Joe the Plumber) and if the GOP took all the good ideas proposed by every candidate and threw out the BS then I would seriously consider whoever came out of the field.

The whole "he isn't helping you, but my ideas are better" thing isn't going to work, IMO.
 
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rjd970 said:
The GOP is just going to have to accept the fact that they are going to have a non-christian mormon nominee who doesn't see a huge deal with mandating individual healthcare.

This flavor of the month stuff is silly. If they had any stones and really cared about spending and government size, they would nominate Ron Paul right now.
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Aside from some of his Fed ideas and certain foreign policy ideals he would get my vote. Solid candidate, but the GOP will stick with Romney or Perry. Cain has no chance.
 
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trevols81 said:
Yet they still ranked 47th.
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As noted before, it's a worthless stat. He is more than qualified for the job. The Upper middle class suburbanites voted Obama in and they see how much of a disaster he is and will not vote for Obama again. Obama will not win FL, NC, VA, PA, OH, and IN. The states where mormonism is thought of as a cult, don't matter b/c they are not voting for Obama anyway.

You do realize Obama thought the UE rate would be at 5% right by now. Why isn't it? Why is it still above 9%. Romney isn't stupid and won't talk bad about job creators. He will cut spending, simplify the tax code and regulations. All will promote jobs growth. By 2016, UE will be below 7%, the Dow will be above 15000. The Dems could put Jesus on their ticket in 2016 and still wouldn't win.

The facts are simple. Obama has a 45% strongly dissapove rating so easily 50% of the country is not voting for him again. Romney walked into a dot com disaster, got rid of a deficit, simplified the tax code/regulations, and walked out with a budget surplus. Romneys resume is much more impressive than Obamas and it will show as Romney mops the floor with Obama during upcoming debates. Obama has done serious damage to the Ds and it will last over a decade as the Indy voter has been burned way too bad by Obama
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utvolpj said:
pretty funny from a guy that voted for Obama

UE stays there and it won't matter if they run Reagan's bones for Pres
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still don't know how you could vote for mccain after living in arizona. you have to know he is corrupt to the bone, he changes his mind on every issue as the checks roll in. hell the yuma lettuce farmers own him.
 
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trevols81 said:
FWIW, Obama has not lived up to the expectations he promised in '08. But you guys have not presented a better alternative, IMO.

I actually am an independant(unlike Joe the Plumber) and if the GOP took all the good ideas proposed by every candidate and threw out the BS then I would seriously consider whoever came out of the field.

The whole "he isn't helping you, but my ideas are better" thing isn't going to work, IMO.
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Thats all voters really have to go off of. Most of what Obama ran on didn't add up anyway, and he had no way to make you believe he could do what he talked about.(if you did like it) Obama ran on, "Im not Bush". and won. Everybody knew what that was, you had an 8 year sample. Obama has to defend a disaster now.
 
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VOLatile said:
And allowing Bush to do what he did for so long.
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Absolutely. Conservatives believed him to be one of them. In reality, he was just a Progressive of a different stripe. The last two years of Bush and first 3+ of Obama... are very consistent. Big gov't solutions and bail outs.
 
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trevols81 said:
FWIW, Obama has not lived up to the expectations he promised in '08. But you guys have not presented a better alternative, IMO.

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I am not planning on rewarding the GOP for giving me another "lesser evil" to vote for. I could still vote for Cain. I could probably vote for Newt. I don't see any of the others worthy of a vote.

That said, "vacant" would be a better alternative than Obama. His ideals are whacked out and worse yet destructive. His policies are horrible and have made a significant contribution to the continued world economic problems. He isn't even a strong executive.

He is qualified for one job: community organizer. The Peter Principle was abused with this guy.
 
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