How exactly do assistant coaches get considered for head coaching jobs?

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I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
 
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Usually, you have to be a coordinator for a team that has a good deal of success that people want to imitate. On the other hand, apparently, you can just skip that if folks know your daddy and you've got nice hair.
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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While Derek Dooley was never really a sought after commodity, the others have had experience as coordinators for highly successful programs.
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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Well, bud. There are usually two ways. One, you got a well-moneyed program looking for a new coach (Texas or Washington) so can afford to throw money at quality coaches until one bites. Two, you have a broke or low tier program desperately seeking any coach who will say "yes" and has so much as a whisker of connection to some known name in coaching. In either case you can either swing and miss, hit a grounder, a double, a triple, or a homerun.
So there you have it. Bama got Saban, LSU got Miles, OSU got Urban, USCw got Kiffin, and we got Doo. It's a sonuvaButch to hit a homerun everytime, yessuh, id sho is, uh-huh.
 
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WishWeHadTee said:
You can't start your career as a HC, so new ones have to come from somewhere...
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Malzahn has had substantial and significant success as a coordinator in the [recent] past, and then was hired as HC at Arky State before leaving for Auburn.

I may be missing what you're saying here, but if you think Malzahn was just put in the HC position at Auburn without having success in other places, then you're dead wrong.
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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Mayhaps that lack of experience is why they failed?
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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It's who you know...Derek Dooley knew Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin knew Pete Carroll. And when you got idiot athletic directors that dont know anything about sports then names is all they have to go on.
 
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They do a good job with a coordinator position, and are give the opportunity to be a head coach. Instead of putting their stamp or influencing Offense or Defense, they are able to try and use that same influence on the entire team.
 
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WishWeHadTee said:
You can't start your career as a HC, so new ones have to come from somewhere...
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He was a highly successful high school head coach in Arkansas before being selected as offensive coordinator by Houston Nutt at Arkansas in 2005. Bringing highly touted quarterback prospect Mitch Mustain with him helped Malzahn to land that coordinator position.
 
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It doesn't matter if it is business or athletics. There is almost always some luck involved. It isn't like politics where you can just buy your way into the job.
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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in case of Dooley Tennessee got a lot of no thank you's before settling for him.. he was sitting head coach who got a really good deal to come to Knoxville after we had several turn downs. not offer turn downs, mostly not even interested in talking turn downs
 
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LWSVOL said:
in case of Dooley Tennessee got a lot of no thank you's before settling for him.. he was sitting head coach who got a really good deal to come to Knoxville after we had several turn downs. not offer turn downs, mostly not even interested in talking turn downs
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Citations? Please point me in the direction of all your officially recorded evidence.
 
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Coincidentally, Georgia Southern's Athletic Director just tweeted that he was in Knoxville today (at Calhoun's). GSU is looking for a head coach after Jeff Monken left for Army on Christmas Eve.

Could just be a coincidence. But GSU is moving up to I-A next year and is a pretty attractive job for someone looking to get their first HC job.
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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Many schools like to hire on the cheap, UT included, so they throw a little money at a hot coordinator and pray he works out.

UT decided to take a recently fired coach that was a hot coordinator at one point, as well as a not so hot head coach, and give them the keys to the kingdom.

Sad.
 
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Every coach worked his way up. Nobody just graduates and is immediately made a HC in college football.
 
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oregonvol said:
Usually, you have to be a coordinator for a team that has a good deal of success that people want to imitate. On the other hand, apparently, you can just skip that if folks know your daddy and you've got nice hair.
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I didn't think that Kiffin's hair was THAT nice.
 
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oregonvol said:
Usually, you have to be a coordinator for a team that has a good deal of success that people want to imitate. On the other hand, apparently, you can just skip that if folks know your daddy and you've got nice hair.
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Or a school with a dictator and a booger eater.
 
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volberry said:
I look at the recent busts in cfb and shake my head. How did Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp, Joker Phillips, and others ever get a shot at a top job in the premier league in cfb? It doesn't make sense to me. There has to be some type of qualifications.
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Successful coordinators usually make it to the head coaching ranks.

If you will recall, Jay Graham wanted the title of a position coach at running back and he also wanted to be the recruiting coordinator. That would be another title behind his name.

This would help him to eventually move to an offensive coordinators position, which means more money and put him in position to be a head coach eventually.

Of course, bUTch went with someone he was more familiar with as the recruiting coordinator, so Jay left.

It is funny though, because Jay still isn't a recruiting coordinator now that he left for FSU. So, by leaving, he still didn't get to be a recruiting coordinator.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Successful coordinators usually make it to the head coaching ranks.

If you will recall, Jay Graham wanted the title of a position coach at running back and he also wanted to be the recruiting coordinator. That would be another title behind his name.

This would help him to eventually move to an offensive coordinators position, which means more money and put him in position to be a head coach eventually.

Of course, bUTch went with someone he was more familiar with as the recruiting coordinator, so Jay left.

It is funny though, because Jay still isn't a recruiting coordinator now that he left for FSU. So, by leaving, he still didn't get to be a recruiting coordinator.
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He gets to coach in a National Ch. game though.
 
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oregonvol said:
Citations? Please point me in the direction of all your officially recorded evidence.
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(1) Dooley was a head coach at La. Tech. Look it up on the internet, if you have doudts.

(2) A whole laundry list of coaches said 'Not interested"
bUTch Davis, Lovie Smith, Boise State Coach, TCU coach, Gruden, Bill Cowher, Air Force coach, Muschamp, were ones who were reported to not be interested. Look on the internet, and google candidate to replace Kiffn.

(3) Google D. Dooley's contract that he had at U.T. Then you will see that it was too high for a coach of his limited experience. Only 3 seasons as head coach of college football program. Tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator of LSU. Tight ends coach of Miami Dolphins.



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You apply for the open position at the said school with a application! I'm just sayin that's where I would start.














J/k early morning sarcasm!
 
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