How John McCain Lost Me

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Can you summarize? I don't have enough interest to click the link and read it, assuming it is littered with the same tired stuff.
 
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What I don't get about this perspective is that somehow he is viewed as a politician (gasp). If that's a disqualifier, how on earth could anyone support Obama? He's moved off his message with great regularity.

The record still shows McCain as more of a centrist in both deeds and words. Obama's centrist (at times) words clearly do not match his deeds.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Speaking of which, have there been any new developments in the coverage of his attempt to stall troop withdrawals in Iraq?
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I'm guessing that one was not legit. Given how big a deal it would be if true, the fact that it has faded so quickly tells me my initial skepticism was likely right.
 
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It seems like too many folks want this election to be a referendum on Bush. I have close friends who have not stopped bitching about what happened in Florida during the 2000 election for eight years now. It's over. He won. Twice. Bush is not running again and with his fortune I doubt he gives two squirts who succeeds him in office.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Can you summarize? I don't have enough interest to click the link and read it, assuming it is littered with the same tired stuff.
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that would defeat the point of the thread.

Me = lazy and not as articulate and further removed

Elizabeth Drew = diligent and articulate and closely involved.
 
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We need OE to cut and paste entire article. btw, OE is gonna get sued by AP (or Politico) if he doesn't watch his back! Later, morons.
 
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volinbham said:
What I don't get about this perspective is that somehow he is viewed as a politician (gasp). If that's a disqualifier, how on earth could anyone support Obama? He's moved off his message with great regularity.
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I think most reasoned people understand they're both politicians - they're ambitious. Why this deserves some criticism is that HE IS THE ONE who touts his maverickness, his love of country (as if others don't love their country) when in fact he has veered so far from that it's hard to tell what he stands for. He has pulled a George Wallace in terms of strategy. He lost by trying to do it the right way - his way - but that failed, and so he started doing it their way, and now it's working.

Obama certainly has altered his message too - but I see it as him becoming more centrist as a result. In fact, he's turned on some in the far left camp - altered his stance on Israel-Palestine, on offshore drilling, on gun bans. And those deserve to be noted.

So, to steal a line from a recent McCain attack ad,

"What happens when you strip away the maverick image? When you realize that the moves he's made have been for political advantage and ambition, and not b/c of principle?"

You have his stances on issues and his state of mind and his challenges satisfying everyone from right wing evangelicals and neocons to independents and centrists.

that's just not who I want leading us out of the current situations we face (home and abroad) and into the next decade.
 
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TennNC said:
that would defeat the point of the thread.

Me = lazy and not as articulate and further removed

Elizabeth Drew = diligent and articulate and closely involved.
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Elizabeth Drew = Has opinion

Opinions are like *ssholes. Everyone has one.
 
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TennNC said:
I think most reasoned people understand they're both politicians - they're ambitious. Why this deserves some criticism is that HE IS THE ONE who touts his maverickness, his love of country (as if others don't love their country) when in fact he has veered so far from that it's hard to tell what he stands for. He has pulled a George Wallace in terms of strategy. He lost by trying to do it the right way - his way - but that failed, and so he started doing it their way, and now it's working.

Obama certainly has altered his message too - but I see it as him becoming more centrist as a result. In fact, he's turned on some in the far left camp - altered his stance on Israel-Palestine, on offshore drilling, on gun bans. And those deserve to be noted.

So, to steal a line from a recent McCain attack ad,

"What happens when you strip away the maverick image? When you realize that the moves he's made have been for political advantage and ambition, and not b/c of principle?"

You have his stances on issues and his state of mind and his challenges satisfying everyone from right wing evangelicals and neocons to independents and centrists.

that's just not who I want leading us out of the current situations we face (home and abroad) and into the next decade.
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In short, you are going to vote for Bloomberg?
 
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TennNC said:
I think most reasoned people understand they're both politicians - they're ambitious. Why this deserves some criticism is that HE IS THE ONE who touts his maverickness, his love of country (as if others don't love their country) He lost by trying to do it the right way - his way - but that failed, and so he started doing it their way, and now it's working.

Well, I see Obama exactly in this light - HE IS THE ONE who touts his different kind of politician, his change from politics as usual, his focus on unity and bipartisanship, his "above the fray", he condemns politics of fear and smear yet uses them with great aplomb. None of his actions match his words. He's selling what he thinks the public wants to hear.

Obama certainly has altered his message too - but I see it as him becoming more centrist as a result. In fact, he's turned on some in the far left camp - altered his stance on Israel-Palestine, on offshore drilling, on gun bans. And those deserve to be noted.

At every turn, he looks to the federal government as the solution - each new event results in a new "program". Hardly Centrist.





that's just not who I want leading us out of the current situations we face (home and abroad) and into the next decade.
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I feel precisely the same way about Obama on your last comment.

What McCain is being criticized for by you and the author fits Obama to a "T". The difference being McCain actually has actions/deeds that support his words.
 
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volinbham said:
I feel precisely the same way about Obama on your last comment.

What McCain is being criticized for by you and the author fits Obama to a "T". The difference being McCain actually has actions/deeds that support his words.
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No facts please. Just opinions.
 
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