How long before all of us conservatives can say....

[KB5252]

Republicans have not demonstrated one ounce of ability to pull us out of the ditch that Bush drug us into. No ideas at all, only obstructionism. Standing on the sidlines whining and carping thats why Rep. party is down in the twenty percent range of those will admit to being members of that party.

There have been plenty of ideas batted around by both republicans and fiscal conservative democrats. The problem is they have been marginalized, partly due to Bush, but mostly due to Obama, Pelosi and the agenda they are pushing with no input or open exchange of ideas. This administration is balls to the walls, just like Bush's was, though in different ways.

The current downturn in the economy was brewing for many years before Bush ever set foot in office, yes he compounded the problem in many ways but laying the blame completely at his feet is nonsense. We all know that Bush's spending was outrageous but are we to believe that because Obama is a democrat that outpacing Bush's spending isn't harmful and somehow a positive thing?

 

[rjd970]

Personally i don't like us looking so weak to the rest of the world.

How do we look weak?

I guess you think the Bush Doctrine worked out well for us?

 

[rjd970]

There have been plenty of ideas batted around by both republicans and fiscal conservative democrats. The problem is they have been marginalized, partly due to Bush, but mostly due to Obama, Pelosi and the agenda they are pushing with no input or open exchange of ideas. This administration is balls to the walls, just like Bush's was, though in different ways.

This is false. Are you just going on what you think or what has been told to you, or is there a link or any evidence actually suggesting this?

Here is an AP article that says otherwise:

Obama May Have to Wait for Health Care Passage - Political News - FOXNews.com

The obstructionism is being marginalized, the legitimate concerns are being debated. There is a difference.

 

[droski]

How do we look weak?

I guess you think the Bush Doctrine worked out well for us?

the apology tour makes us look weak in the middle east. no one thinks obama has the balls to actually attack anyone. bush, to his credit, didn't f around and our enemies were clearly scared of him. if obama keeps this up i see no reason why we wont soon have another terrorist attack.

 

[KB5252]

This is false. Are you just going on what you think or what has been told to you, or is there a link or any evidence actually suggesting this?

Here is an AP article that says otherwise:

Obama May Have to Wait for Health Care Passage - Political News - FOXNews.com

The obstructionism is being marginalized, the legitimate concerns are being debated. There is a difference.

From day one Obama set the tone for his opposition in congress. He marginalized them with the help of Pelosi, I see no way anyone can say otherwise.

As far as your statement about obstruction versus legitimate concerns, it is splitting hairs. One can try to block a bill they consider harmful and a potential disaster for the country because of legitimate concerns. Whether or not you believe they do it because of legitimate concern, obstruction or a combination of both is up to the individual to decide.

Edit: I was wrong to use the words "no input or open exchange of ideas". The republicans have little power, any ideas they bring to the table that don't fall in line with Obama's vision of health care fall on deaf ears.

IMHO Obama and the democrats are revamping health care without first fixing the problems that got us to this point we find ourselves at today.

 

[rjd970]

From day one Obama set the tone for his opposition in congress. He marginalized them with the help of Pelosi, I see no way anyone can say otherwise.

As far as your statement about obstruction versus legitimate concerns, it is splitting hairs. One can try to block a bill they consider harmful and a potential disaster for the country because of legitimate concerns. Whether or not you believe they do it because of legitimate concern, obstruction or a combination of both is up to the individual to decide.

All due respect KB, on one hand you are saying that you can see no way anyone can say Obama hasn't marginalized his opposition...then on the other you are saying it is up to the individual to decide whether said opposition is doing this out of legitimate concern or obstructionism? So it is a certainty Obama is playing politics with opposition in congress, but with congress it is all in the eye of the beholder?

Again, I would like to see what evdience you have that so clearly paints Obama as a picture perfect partisan to this point.

 

[rjd970]

the apology tour makes us look weak in the middle east. no one thinks obama has the balls to actually attack anyone. bush, to his credit, didn't f around and our enemies were clearly scared of him. if obama keeps this up i see no reason why we wont soon have another terrorist attack.

I disagree. Bush, to his credit, still wasn't anywhere near a genius on foreign policy. And until another terrorist attack actually happens, your last point is moot speculation.

 

[KB5252]

All due respect KB, on one hand you are saying that you can see no way anyone can say Obama hasn't marginalized his opposition...then on the other you are saying it is up to the individual to decide whether said opposition is doing this out of legitimate concern or obstructionism? So it is a certainty Obama is playing politics with opposition in congress, but with congress it is all in the eye of the beholder?

Again, I would like to see what evdience you have that so clearly paints Obama as a picture perfect partisan to this point.

Oh, don't get me wrong congress plenty partisan.

I wouldn't say Obama is "picture perfect partisan". I would say Obama is strongly partisan and planned on being that way from day one. For evidence I would direct you to the tone he set with congress from the beginning.

 

[rjd970]

For evidence I would direct you to the tone he set with congress from the beginning.

I don't see it, you're going to have to give a specific example.

 

[KB5252]

I don't see it, you're going to have to give a specific example.

But Obama showed that in an ideological debate, he’s not averse to using a jab.

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

The statement was prompted by Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona , who challenged the president and the Democratic leaders over the balance between the package’s spending and tax cuts, bringing up the traditional Republican notion that a tax credit for people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes is not a tax cut but a government check.

 

[rjd970]

But Obama showed that in an ideological debate, he’s not averse to using a jab.

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

The statement was prompted by Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona , who challenged the president and the Democratic leaders over the balance between the package’s spending and tax cuts, bringing up the traditional Republican notion that a tax credit for people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes is not a tax cut but a government check.

He did win. What's he supposed to say? Many democratic aides who confirmed the comment said it wasn't as partisan as it sounded, and that when put in context he was simply saying this was a point of contention during the election and his side has the backing of the American electorate. Afterall, the american people didn't listen to well to the GOP as seen by the results.

If this is an example of partisianship that the GOP has its panties in a wad about then they are more sensitive than I thought.

 

[KB5252]

He did win. What's he supposed to say? Many democratic aides who confirmed the comment said it wasn't as partisan as it sounded, and that when put in context he was simply saying this was a point of contention during the election and his side has the backing of the American electorate. Afterall, the american people didn't listen to well to the GOP as seen by the results.

If this is an example of partisianship that the GOP has its panties in a wad about then they are more sensitive than I thought.

When you couple this statement with the Republicans being locked out for all intents and purposes on the stimulus then the partisan games being played by Obama with the help of Pelosi become pretty clear.

 

[droski]

He did win. What's he supposed to say? Many democratic aides who confirmed the comment said it wasn't as partisan as it sounded, and that when put in context he was simply saying this was a point of contention during the election and his side has the backing of the American electorate. Afterall, the american people didn't listen to well to the GOP as seen by the results.

If this is an example of partisianship that the GOP has its panties in a wad about then they are more sensitive than I thought.

the problem is obama using his election victory as some sort of mandate to put through every democrat's wet dreams programs despite the fact that the majority of american people are against said programs. winning the election doesn't give him the free pass to do whatever he wants.

 

[gsvol]

"Both Democrat John F. Kennedy and Republican Ronald W. Reagan implemented the same solution to the recessions they faced.

Note that both the Democrat and Republican chose exactly the opposite action that the current administration seems determined to fulfill.

Kennedy and Reagan lowered the top marginal tax rates. When they did, small businesses hired more people, expanded the middle class, and brought the U.S. Treasury record revenues the years following the implementation.

If President Obama wishes to genuinely solve the joblessness problem, all he has to do is embrace the historically proven solution."

--columnist Kevin McCullough

I've been saying it since Teleprompter Jesus signed the "stimulus" bill into law.

What do God and Barry have in common????

Neither has a birth certificate!!!

"Yes we can" could become "Yea yall did". I like it in bumper sticker form.

"Today, we're spending like we're Paris Hilton, regulating like we're Ralph Nader, nationalizing like we're Hugo Chavez, printing money like we're the Weimar Republic and taxing like we're, well, the Democratic Congress." --former Georgia Democrat Sen. Zell Miller

"Judged against the standard of the U.S. Senate, maybe Sonia Sotomayor has a point. 'A wise Latina' certainly came across smarter than most of those white men on the Judiciary Committee." --Washington Times editor emeritus Wesley Pruden

"[Joe] Biden reminds me of what Churchill once said about our Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles: He is a bull who carries his own china shop with him." --columnist Ken Blackwell

"The president's good friend, Al Gore, who stands to clean up, thanks to the Cap and Trade bill, has long campaigned for the greening of America. How long will it take people to wake up to the fact that his major concern is the greening of Al Gore?

For good measure, the greedy oaf recently compared the battle over global warming to the war against the Nazis. And, to think, some folks thought PETA was over the top when they compared a chicken farm to Auschwitz." --columnist Burt Prelutsky

"Hillary Clinton flew to India and Thailand and Indonesia Saturday. It's labeled a state visit but it's more like a scavenger hunt. She's quietly offering a $25 million reward for a certified copy of the president's birth certificate." --comedian Argus Hamilton

 

[lawgator1]

All due respect KB, on one hand you are saying that you can see no way anyone can say Obama hasn't marginalized his opposition...then on the other you are saying it is up to the individual to decide whether said opposition is doing this out of legitimate concern or obstructionism? So it is a certainty Obama is playing politics with opposition in congress, but with congress it is all in the eye of the beholder?

Again, I would like to see what evdience you have that so clearly paints Obama as a picture perfect partisan to this point.

My own perception is that it is both. I do believe that, subjectively, the Limbaugh's and Hannity's really do believe that Obama's policies are bad for the country. But I think they are also motivated signficantly by their own partisan agendas.

One can argue I suppose that the first motivation is the purer, but in the end it doesn't matter. They will oppose him both because they support the opposition and because they don't like what he's doing. No doubt it varies from issue to issue.