How this team can improve on both sides of the ball.

#26
#26
knowthevols said:
I was just trying to explain why McBee should shoot the
ball when he's open.
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I could be wrong, but it seems like McBee is generally more accurate when he takes a dribble or two before shooting. If can continue to consistently hit the open shots, that will be the difference between a shooter and a good shooter.
 
#27
#27
It seems to me that other teams have us scouted well. Teams tend not to press until Golden is out. And I believe CoC went zone when Maymon went out of the game. At that point, UT is really strapped as none of the other big men can really operate at the foul line, or can go high-low.

As for McBee and him being on the court, why are you people mad at him for being the best available player? If McBee is in the game it is because Martin feels like he gives him the best chance to win. That says way more about the 4-star guys sitting on the bench than it does McBee. It's not McBee's fault that he is on the floor. He earned the time in practice, with hard work and effort. And if he can't guard anyone on the perimeter (which he does struggle with) then how bad must the guy NOT playing be? Who on this team is doing such a good job defending and scoring that McBee being on the floor is such a travesty? No one, that's who. McBee on the floor is more about the lack of talent and effort on the entire team than it is about McBee himself.
 
#28
#28
zansdad said:
It seems to me that other teams have us scouted well. Teams tend not to press until Golden is out. And I believe CoC went zone when Maymon went out of the game. At that point, UT is really strapped as none of the other big men can really operate at the foul line, or can go high-low.

As for McBee and him being on the court, why are you people mad at him for being the best available player? If McBee is in the game it is because Martin feels like he gives him the best chance to win. That says way more about the 4-star guys sitting on the bench than it does McBee. It's not McBee's fault that he is on the floor. He earned the time in practice, with hard work and effort. And if he can't guard anyone on the perimeter (which he does struggle with) then how bad must the guy NOT playing be? Who on this team is doing such a good job defending and scoring that McBee being on the floor is such a travesty? No one, that's who. McBee on the floor is more about the lack of talent and effort on the entire team than it is about McBee himself.
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First of all, I'm not against McBee playing. He has a role. He knows his role. He rarely, if ever, tries to exceed his role. He is, statistically, the best shooter on the team right now.

However, considering the parameters you listed for playing McBee, why is Kenny Hall playing so much? If you insert Hall's name everywhere in your post where McBee's name is now, it would seem to be the counterpoint to your idea that the best players play because, "they earned the time with hard work and effort". It seems the only thing keeping Hall from playing more is his inability to play without fouling, when in fact, he should be riding the bench in favor of Miller, who as we saw last game, plays with more desire, purpose, and hustle.

It's just a thought and I have no problems with your logic and reasoning for playing McBee. In fact, I agree with it. It just seems like that logic should carry over to all players, though in Hall's case, it doesn't seem to apply.
 
#29
#29
cncchris33 said:
First of all, I'm not against McBee playing. He has a role. He knows his role. He rarely, if ever, tries to exceed his role. He is, statistically, the best shooter on the team right now.

However, considering the parameters you listed for playing McBee, why is Kenny Hall playing so much? If you insert Hall's name everywhere in your post where McBee's name is now, it would seem to be the counterpoint to your idea that the best players play because, "they earned the time with hard work and effort". It seems the only thing keeping Hall from playing more is his inability to play without fouling, when in fact, he should be riding the bench in favor of Miller, who as we saw last game, plays with more desire, purpose, and hustle.

It's just a thought and I have no problems with your logic and reasoning for playing McBee. In fact, I agree with it. It just seems like that logic should carry over to all players, though in Hall's case, it doesn't seem to apply.
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Excellent points.
 
#30
#30
cncchris33 said:
First of all, I'm not against McBee playing. He has a role. He knows his role. He rarely, if ever, tries to exceed his role. He is, statistically, the best shooter on the team right now.

However, considering the parameters you listed for playing McBee, why is Kenny Hall playing so much? If you insert Hall's name everywhere in your post where McBee's name is now, it would seem to be the counterpoint to your idea that the best players play because, "they earned the time with hard work and effort". It seems the only thing keeping Hall from playing more is his inability to play without fouling, when in fact, he should be riding the bench in favor of Miller, who as we saw last game, plays with more desire, purpose, and hustle.

It's just a thought and I have no problems with your logic and reasoning for playing McBee. In fact, I agree with it. It just seems like that logic should carry over to all players, though in Hall's case, it doesn't seem to apply.
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CM is smart and he knows basketball. The only thing that makes sense is that CM doesn't want to crush the psyche of Hall, who isn't mentally strong. That's why I assume it has lasted this long. He probably wants to bench Cam and Hall. With today's thinskinned players, you then worry about losing guys, upperclassmen, that you may need minutes from and also risk fracturing a locker room.
I am assuming CM also realizes that the trial period is over and enough opportunities have been given. We've seen it longer, and were already to bench Hall before we played the first game.
 
#31
#31
pl3 said:
CM is smart and he knows basketball. The only thing that makes sense is that CM doesn't want to crush the psyche of Hall, who isn't mentally strong. That's why I assume it has lasted this long. He probably wants to bench Cam and Hall. With today's thinskinned players, you then worry about losing guys, upperclassmen, that you may need minutes from and also risk fracturing a locker room.
I am assuming CM also realizes that the trial period is over and enough opportunities have been given. We've seen it longer, and were already to bench Hall before we played the first game.
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I fear Martin has more confidence in Hall than Hall has in himself. Hopefully, if he continues to start he sees fewer minutes if he continues to stagnate.
 
#32
#32
calban said:
I fear Martin has more confidence in Hall than Hall has in himself. Hopefully, if he continues to start he sees fewer minutes if he continues to stagnate.
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You have to remember that CM is basing his decisions off of Hall this year. Hall works a ton before and after practice on his game and evidently practices hard. We are more ready because we have been seeing the same crap for 2+ years.
 
#33
#33
pl3 said:
You have to remember that CM is basing his decisions off of Hall this year. Hall works a ton before and after practice on his game and evidently practices hard. We are more ready because we have been seeing the same crap for 2+ years.
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Good point. The honeymoon is over though. Nine games is sufficient time to make personnel decisions, especially given the losing slide we have trended towards.
 
#34
#34
cncchris33 said:
First of all, I'm not against McBee playing. He has a role. He knows his role. He rarely, if ever, tries to exceed his role. He is, statistically, the best shooter on the team right now.

However, considering the parameters you listed for playing McBee, why is Kenny Hall playing so much? If you insert Hall's name everywhere in your post where McBee's name is now, it would seem to be the counterpoint to your idea that the best players play because, "they earned the time with hard work and effort". It seems the only thing keeping Hall from playing more is his inability to play without fouling, when in fact, he should be riding the bench in favor of Miller, who as we saw last game, plays with more desire, purpose, and hustle.

It's just a thought and I have no problems with your logic and reasoning for playing McBee. In fact, I agree with it. It just seems like that logic should carry over to all players, though in Hall's case, it doesn't seem to apply.
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Well we don't know what Hall looks like in practice or how much extra work he puts in. Maybe Hall is just one of those guys who is a great practice guy but wilts once the lights come on. Could be that his game performance soon outweighs his practice performance.
 
#35
#35
pl3 said:
Fine points. However, to be more direct, we will improve on both sides:
-when Cam, Wool and Hall are no longer getting minutes.
-when Miller is getting 25 minutes
-when Trae learns to go left and at least takes one hand away from a guard while on D
-when Skylar doesn't have to come in to play point
-when we have 3-4 guys on the court that can fill it up, which will lead to better spacing
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Pl3...What do you think about the "basketball IQ" debate?
 
#38
#38
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
Perhaps wrong choice of words my bad. But i have heard on radio talk shows plus in general conversation the thought that UT needs some players with higher basketball IQ. Just wanted you opinion on it?
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Bad ball IQ doesn't mean a guy is dumb. It just means the player doesn't really understand the game and it's on the early coaches and mentors. AAU ball is so much of one on one and running and gunning. While another D1 signee is making a play, other players stand and watch. Many "lesser" players understand the game better because they have had to have a high ball IQ to play well and compete with more physically skilled players.

So yes, TN needs some players that know how to play ball--angles, lanes, positions, spacing, rotation, cutting, using picks, etc. Things that should come naturally, don't seem to.
 
#39
#39
pl3 said:
Bad ball IQ doesn't mean a guy is dumb. It just means the player doesn't really understand the game and it's on the early coaches and mentors. AAU ball is so much of one on one and running and gunning. While another D1 signee is making a play, other players stand and watch. Many "lesser" players understand the game better because they have had to have a high ball IQ to play well and compete with more physically skilled players.

So yes, TN needs some players that know how to play ball--angles, lanes, positions, spacing, rotation, cutting, using picks, etc. Things that should come naturally, don't seem to.
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I agree. If we had just a couple players right now that had better ball IQ, we would be seeing a completely different team IMO.
 
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