How will the media handle Bidens sexual assualt allegation? NYT tweet lets us know...just amazing

[volfanjustin]

Tara Reade: A complicated life and conflicting accounts muddle efforts to understand allegation against Joe Biden - CNNPolitics

“Reade told CNN that she received a bachelor of arts degree from Antioch University in Seattle under the auspices of a "protected program," personally working with the former president of the school to ensure her identity was protected while she obtained credits for her degree. She also said that she was a visiting professor at the school, on and off for five years.

Presented with this, Karen Hamilton, an Antioch University spokesperson, told CNN that "Alexandra McCabe attended but did not graduate from Antioch University. She was never a faculty member. She did provide several hours of administrative work."
An Antioch University official told CNN that such a "protected program" does not exist and never has.“

Biden also lied about his accomplishments.

I wonder if CNN ran a similar story about Blasey Ford?
It used to be against the rules to attack victims now I guess it’s accepted

 

[RockyTop85]

I'm not defending Reade and this is damning but Biden also has lied about his credentials and in the end this is a he said/she said. Two liars going at it. Presumption of innocence wins.

I generally agree with this analysis but I don’t agree that it comes down to only the presumption of innocence.

Whether or not she’s a liar is directly relevant to whether or not she would make a false allegation.

Given that lack of credibility, in order for it to boil down to only a presumption of innocence I think there’s got to be something more there that makes you say “this guy is capable of sexual assault.”

Whether or not he’s a liar is related to whether we can believe his denial, but it is not relevant to whether or not he would assault her in the way she describes. There are a lot of dishonest people who wouldn’t do that.

I haven’t seen anything that suggests to me that he would. (And yes, I’m aware of the touchy feely stuff. But I think there’s a clear distinction there.)

As I type this, I’m thinking this is actually just a long form presumption of innocence. What I’m saying is I don’t think it’s a “tie goes to the accused” situation because I don’t see it as a tie. There’s an initial hurdle of plausibility that needs to be cleared before you get into presumption of innocence. I don’t think she can clear it.

JMO

 

[volinbham]

I generally agree with this analysis but I don’t agree that it comes down to only the presumption of innocence.

Whether or not she’s a liar is directly relevant to whether or not she would make a false allegation.

Given that lack of credibility, in order for it to boil down to only a presumption of innocence I think there’s got to be something more there that makes you say “this guy is capable of sexual assault.”

Whether or not he’s a liar is related to whether we can believe his denial, but it is not relevant to whether or not he would assault her in the way she describes. There are a lot of dishonest people who wouldn’t do that.

I haven’t seen anything that suggests to me that he would. (And yes, I’m aware of the touchy feely stuff. But I think there’s a clear distinction there.)

As I type this, I’m thinking this is actually just a long form presumption of innocence. What I’m saying is I don’t think it’s a “tie goes to the accused” situation because I don’t see it as a tie. There’s an initial hurdle of plausibility that needs to be cleared before you get into presumption of innocence. I don’t think she can clear it.

JMO

generally agree but he does have a history of inappropriate touching so it passes the "capable bar".

 

[RockyTop85]

generally agree but he does have a history of inappropriate touching so it passes the "capable bar".

I don’t agree that all kinds of “inappropriate touching” are of a nature that suggests a proclivity for sexual assault. I don’t think the complaints about him are of the type that would raise that concern for me, although I don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to see it differently.

 

[volinbham]

the more I think about it, Joe's lying about credentials is as relevant as Reade's lying about them. Neither is related to sexual assault. Both appear to have created sensationalized accounts about themselves repeatedly over time so in the end we are back to the specific allegations and without harder evidence I have to err on the side of presumption of innocence.

 

[RockyTop85]

the more I think about it, Joe's lying about credentials is as relevant as Reade's lying about them. Neither is related to sexual assault. Both appear to have created sensationalized accounts about themselves repeatedly over time so in the end we are back to the specific allegations and without harder evidence I have to err on the side of presumption of innocence.

I do feel that that is completely unreasonable.

Rape/sexual assault is unquestionably more severe than a lie. They’re different types of acts, usually with a different motive. The propensity to lie is not equal to a propensity to commit a sexual assault.

A false allegation of sexual assault is a lie. The propensity to lie does relate to the propensity to make a false allegation. Particularly when her original impetus in coming forward was an attempt to use Times Up lawyers get money from internet trolls, and she has a history of lying and manipulating people with the same motive.

 

[volinbham]

I do feel that that is completely unreasonable.

Rape/sexual assault is unquestionably more severe than a lie. They’re different types of acts, usually with a different motive. The propensity to lie is not equal to a propensity to commit a sexual assault.

A false allegation of sexual assault is a lie. The propensity to lie does relate to the propensity to make a false allegation. Particularly when her original impetus in coming forward was an attempt to use Times Up lawyers get money from internet trolls, and she has a history of lying and manipulating people with the same motive.

a false declaration of innocence is also a lie so if said person is a proven liar in other regards we are at the same point. at this point we do not know if the allegation is false or the declaration of innocence is false.

I find neither more trustworthy in general so once again we are back to details surrounding the alleged incident rather than general character of either party - I find both of questionable character.

 

[RockyTop85]

a false declaration of innocence is also a lie so if said person is a proven liar in other regards we are at the same point. at this point we do not know if the allegation is false or the declaration of innocence is false.

I find neither more trustworthy in general so once again we are back to details surrounding the alleged incident rather than general character of either party - I find both of questionable character.

Ok, I guess that goes back to whether you get over the threshold of the plausibility of the accusation. Fair enough.

 

[volinbham]

Ok, I guess that goes back to whether you get over the threshold of the plausibility of the accusation. Fair enough.

Yes. I find it plausible but far from compelling. My general philosophy is the presumption of innocence model and accordingly I personally would not change my view on Biden as a result of the accusation.

 

[DC_Vol]

Yes. I find it plausible but far from compelling. My general philosophy is the presumption of innocence model and accordingly I personally would not change my view on Biden as a result of the accusation.

What a novel concept...especially when the allegations are from decades ago.

 

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