Hugo Chavez in critical condition at Cuban hospital

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Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital - Fox News Latino

Hugo Chávez extended stay in a Cuban hospital is because he is in critical condition, according to a report in El Nuevo Herald.

The Venezuelan president, who was last seen in public June 9 and last heard from on June 12, on a phone call with Venezuelan state television, was said to have been treated for a pelvic abscess in Cuba.
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My first thought was, "couldn't be happening to a nicer guy."

Second thought was, "Cuban hospital? Gibbs will be disappointed for a few seconds then immediately launch into a long-winded defense of Cuban healthcare, cite some obscure economist, extoll the virtues of government efficiency, and babble about healthcare not being a market.
 
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I don't understand your second thought. Cuban hospitals, while not perfect, are loads better than Venezuela hospitals. That's why he is there.
 
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IPorange said:
I don't understand your second thought. Cuban hospitals, while not perfect, are loads better than Venezuela hospitals. That's why he is there.
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that's like saying Krystal's is better than White Castle, no matter where you go, the results are pre-determined.
 
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I imagine even if the results are predetermined, they aren't going to kill off a VIP and important ally on purpose.
 
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IPorange said:
I imagine even if the results are predetermined, they aren't going to kill off a VIP and important ally on purpose.
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Of course they wouldn't do it on purpose. That is his point. They may want to, but will they be able to?
 
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If a Cuban hospital can't treat this VIP, I don't think a US hospital would do much better. But whatever, this is clearly been turned into some kind of weird political toy.
 
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IPorange said:
If a Cuban hospital can't treat this VIP, I don't think a US hospital would do much better. But whatever, this is clearly been turned into some kind of weird political toy.
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Don't know enough about Cuban high end care but would think our high end care is significantly more capable but I could be wrong.
 
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IPorange said:
If a Cuban hospital can't treat this VIP, I don't think a US hospital would do much better. But whatever, this is clearly been turned into some kind of weird political toy.
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I know that there are rumors of excellent hospitals on Cuba. Michael Moore found them, after all. I just have my doubts that the best, at any price, that Cuba has to offer would hold a candle to any but the worst facilities in the US.
 
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volinbham said:
Don't know enough about Cuban high end care but would think our high end care is significantly more capable but I could be wrong.
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Fidel and his government can go take a walk right off a cliff as far as I'm concerned, buuut among Gibbs rantings, there was a little nugget of truth in that Cuba is generally regarded as having a significant number of some of the most capable doctors in the world. Not that many don't get put under government directive for skewed statistics and a bunch of other nonsense, but Chavez probably is receiving as good a level of care as he could get anywhere in the US.
 
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MG1968 said:
I know that there are rumors of excellent hospitals on Cuba. Michael Moore found them, after all. I just have my doubts that the best, at any price, that Cuba has to offer would hold a candle to any but the worst facilities in the US.
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Except we know that the worst facilities in the US would be out of place bad in Mexico.

Look at it this way: the USSR had many of the very best olympic athletes in the world. They safely reached space before we did. Does it mean it's a better place to live? Hell no. Did they accomplish some great things faster or better than we did? Yes.
 
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nbakerld said:
I wonder if "Comrade Bush" has sent him a get well card.
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milohimself said:
Fidel and his government can go take a walk right off a cliff as far as I'm concerned, buuut among Gibbs rantings, there was a little nugget of truth in that Cuba is generally regarded as having a significant number of some of the most capable doctors in the world. Not that many don't get put under government directive for skewed statistics and a bunch of other nonsense, but Chavez probably is receiving as good a level of care as he could get anywhere in the US.
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I don't doubt the doctor know how - I question the equipment/advanced procedures. Like I said earlier though, I'm not well informed on the issue.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't doubt the doctor know how - I question the equipment/advanced procedures. Like I said earlier though, I'm not well informed on the issue.
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Without diving into specifics, they do have a sizable number of highly trained doctors that are as capable as one the ones here. The question isn't whether they're capable, they are, and with necessary equipment but how it gets utilized for the people of Cuba, which is crappy.

I think the rough USSR analogy I made was useful here.
 
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If it's a pelvic abscess, I doubt there's some super advanced treatment going on. He would probably do aboutthe same at most any hospital assuming sanitation and access to meds isn't an issue.
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volinbham said:
I don't doubt the doctor know how - I question the equipment/advanced procedures. Like I said earlier though, I'm not well informed on the issue.
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The ambulance from the airport to the hospital was a 1956 Chevy station waggon.
 
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milohimself said:
Fidel and his government can go take a walk right off a cliff as far as I'm concerned, buuut among Gibbs rantings, there was a little nugget of truth in that Cuba is generally regarded as having a significant number of some of the most capable doctors in the world. Not that many don't get put under government directive for skewed statistics and a bunch of other nonsense, but Chavez probably is receiving as good a level of care as he could get anywhere in the US.
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That's why Fidel went to Spain for his operation.

Could have something to do with defective and
contaminated North Korean medical supplies, no
doubt Cuba's doctors have the best training in
the most up to date proceedures. :loco:

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Sultan Knish a blog by Daniel Greenfield

Even if Hugo Chavez is dead, his brother Adan
Chavez has vowed to use force to stay in power.

And that is the true socialist way. If you can't win
an election or keep your strongman seated upright
on his throne without stuffing him full of hay, then
bring out the army and show the rabble who's really
in charge. Nothing proves you're a man of the people
like ruling through armed force.
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“We kinda agree with Mao that power comes largely
from the barrel of a gun.”
—Ron Bloom, Obama's Manufacturing Czar

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For all gs knows, cuba could have the best doctors on earth - won't stop him from claiming the opposite.
 
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Or that killer would have any idea about the quality of
medical care in Cuba or any other topic for that matter.

Anyway there have been some glum faces among Chavez supporters.

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well, this can't be good for ol' Hugo,

Noam Chomsky denounces old friend Hugo Chávez for 'assault' on democracy | World news | The Observer

Speaking to the Observer last week, Chomsky has accused the socialist leader of amassing too much power and of making an "assault" on Venezuela's democracy.

"Concentration of executive power, unless it's very temporary and for specific circumstances, such as fighting world war two, is an assault on democracy. You can debate whether [Venezuela's] circumstances require it: internal circumstances and the external threat of attack, that's a legitimate debate. But my own judgment in that debate is that it does not."
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The self-described libertarian socialist says the plight of María Lourdes Afiuni is a "glaring exception" in a time of worldwide cries for freedom. He urges Chávez to release her in "a gesture of clemency" for the sake of justice and human rights.
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someone is going to have to explain to me what a "socialist libertarian" is
 
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