Human Development Report 2010

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#26
utgibbs said:
Do we have an investment?

I'm pretty sure Bush suspended payments to the UN. Hell, it might have been under Clinton.

I know we've been in arrears for a long time at some point. It would be nice to have the data.
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congress suspended payment because UN tried to take us off the permanent human right board, or something like that. once the dems got into power, they paid the dues with extra.
 
#27
#27
the UN should be moved to Haiti and kill two birds with one stone. First, it would be an economic boom for Haiti.

Second, some really valuable real estate would open up in New York that come capitalist pig could develop and create real jobs.
 
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#29
volinbham said:
Ummm, the less years you have in education the more years you have in the real world outside the proverbial backdoor.
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True, but I was thinking more along the lines of apprenticeships / education coincident with the means of production. Not sending someone out with a single apptitude.
 
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joevol320 said:
congress suspended payment because UN tried to take us off the permanent human right board, or something like that. once the dems got into power, they paid the dues with extra.
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Any links? I'd like to know more.
 
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utgibbs said:
True, but I was thinking more along the lines of apprenticeships / education coincident with the means of production. Not sending someone out with a single apptitude.
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ah, so you favor what Marx called "industrial armies"?
 
#33
#33
utgibbs said:
Picked up the UN Human Development Report 2010 (Introduction by Amartya Sen).

Chief conclusion?

p45 [my emphasis]

It is a remarkable result (well, not to me). Two bottom lines:

1. It's not the economy, stupid.

2. The reboot need not affect Quality of Life.
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First, "no significant correlatio"n says almost nothing about what the data actually says. Second, it's from the UN, which couldn't find its ass with both hands. Third, your two conclusions make almost no sense.
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MG1968 said:
ah, so you favor what Marx called "industrial armies"?
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Marx's "industrial armies" were the unemployed.

So, no.

However, Marx did believe a well-rounded education should include the means of production. I would agree - although I'm not sure resurrecting "wood shop" is the cure-all. That's not to say it should be exclusive either. We need Montaigne and Walt Whitman as well.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
First, "no significant correlatio"n says almost nothing about what the data actually says. Second, it's from the UN, which couldn't find its ass with both hands. Third, your two conclusions make almost no sense.
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First, it says there is no correlation between economic growth and health and education opportunities. It does say something. The report goes into great detail about what the data does say.

Second, I bet the UN knows its azz from a hole in the ground.

Third, they make perfect sense.
 
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#37
utgibbs said:
First, it says there is no correlation between economic growth and health and education opportunities. .
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Not surprising that you would believe it or they would publish it. I suppose the wealth to cover the health and education costs of a growing world population will just magically appear.

Further proof that you don't know how wealth is created or why it is valuable... and that liberalism is for people who cannot understand the logic of basic math.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not surprising that you would believe it or they would publish it. I suppose the wealth to cover the health and education costs of a growing world population will just magically appear.

Further proof that you don't know how wealth is created or why it is valuable... and that liberalism is for people who cannot understand the logic of basic math.
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I've been pretty good at creating wealth (DESPITE taxes) for a good long time, sjt.

Regardless of your "basic math" - the UN knows how to do sums. The report is introduced by a Nobel Laureate in Economics. The analysis is full of detail and rigor. Skim a few and see for yourself.
 
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utgibbs said:
First, it says there is no correlation between economic growth and health and education opportunities. It does say something. The report goes into great detail about what the data does say.

Second, I bet the UN knows its azz from a hole in the ground.

Third, they make perfect sense.
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No, it absolutely did not say there is no correlation.

Given their mealy mouthing, I know full well the data is garbage and that they're stretching as hard as possible to make their point.

Yor turning into more of your incessant blather about health and education then seamlessly converting to quality of life was typical, but still just a senseless jump to your pet lunacy.
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#41
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utgibbs said:
I've been pretty good at creating wealth (DESPITE taxes) for a good long time, sjt.

Regardless of your "basic math" - the UN knows how to do sums. The report is introduced by a Nobel Laureate in Economics. The analysis is full of detail and rigor. Skim a few and see for yourself.
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Nobel Laureate I Eco has nothing to do with trying to be evenhanded or right. In fact, its more likely to be biased gibberish just because he was hand selected by that herd of clowns at one point.
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#42
#42
utgibbs said:
What is my conclusion?

2. The reboot need not affect Quality of Life.

As the data shows.

The HDR 2010 also has a significant chapter on the (un)sustainability of our current paradigm too. And it has new tools assessing inequality (the most important metric in determining human development gains) and multidimensional poverty.

I think this is among the best services of the UN - develop and deliver data from across the world. Assess the world objectively and report on it.
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For the love of God, you creep me out.

There are people on here who I think are absolute idiots. You are not one of them. That is mainly why you creep me the F out. I don't even know where to begin with half your comments anymore. I just look at them and shiver and think holy crap he actually believes this stuff.
 
#43
#43
utgibbs said:
True, but I was thinking more along the lines of apprenticeships / education coincident with the means of production. Not sending someone out with a single apptitude.
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I'm all for apprenticeships but they are by their very nature single aptitude educational experiences.

Formal education is specifically designed NOT to be single aptitude focused unless you are speaking of vocational training which is another thing entirely.

Hell, a liberal arts education is as far from single aptitude as one can get.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm all for apprenticeships but they are by their very nature single aptitude educational experiences.

Formal education is specifically designed NOT to be single aptitude focused unless you are speaking of vocational training which is another thing entirely.

Hell, a liberal arts education is as far from single aptitude as one can get.
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Good point. I should have said, rotating apprenticeships. Experience, while young, in several modes of the means of production.

But "formal education" these days means apptitude to take a standardized test. IMHO.

I would love to see a combination (probably reducing the education calendar to 8 - 10 years max) of liberal arts / practical, "means of production" apprenticeships / experiences, whatever. It is great to become acquainted with Newton and Montaigne in school, and this is an important part of any curriculm. But I think something along the lines of the post-graduate education model should be employed much much earlier.
 
#45
#45
utgibbs said:
I've been pretty good at creating wealth (DESPITE taxes) for a good long time, sjt.
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Good. Share yours... not mine.

Regardless of your "basic math" - the UN knows how to do sums. The report is introduced by a Nobel Laureate in Economics. The analysis is full of detail and rigor. Skim a few and see for yourself.
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The UN knows how to manipulate numbers so they always support one conclusion- The US has too much and is the root cause of virtually every problem in the world. They, like you, most often blame the successful for the plight of the failing... rather than properly placing blame on the methods and values of those who are failing.
 
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