Hyatt opts out of Orange bowl - headed to NFL

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Ugh. I already know this is gonna be filled with fifty five year old men who have never attended the university or donated a dime outside of gear and occasional games talking about how Hyatt, our universities first biletnikoff winner, doesn’t represent UT like they would like.
 
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Delmar said:
Oh I absolutely agree that there needed to be some sort of profit sharing for the players. The schools and coaches made tons of money for years on the backs of the players. The issue for me is that it is totally out of control already and it’s going to get crazier. No semblance of control and they may not be able to dial it back. It’s going to be a money grab and survival of the fittest. As I said, it’s just a business now for all involved and fans need to realize it for what it is.
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The problem of colleges being tied to such huge money sports is that when the hammer falls and football/basketball players are legally declared employees and get paid, so are all the other NCAA athletes and legally they'll need to be paid also. Not to mention unions, profit sharing negotiations, etc.

Most colleges can't afford to "hire" that many unionized athletes and legitimate college athletes will suffer because their sport may not be one that survives the financial chopping block.

For actual college athletics to survive, they've got to be separated from the "pro" sports teams colleges are also running. And the rub is: the colleges use the "pro" sports money to prop up the other sports.

It's a mess. The NCAA did this, though, not the athletes.
 
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Was surprised to hear Neuheusel taking Hyatt to task on the morning espnu radio show. Felt his opting out was a big mistake and could hurt him in the long run. Also felt it was unfair to fans who are spending money to attend the Orange BG. Went so far as to say something needs to be done to prevent marquee players from skipping NY6 bowls. Personally not sure what he thinks could be done. After recent courts ruling relegating the NCAA to being a totally impotent body, who exactly does he think has the power to do anything about opt outs. Seemed a strange statement unless it was just whining like so many others looking for the “good ol’ days.”
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Exactly. That's why the NCAA essentially gutted itself as a governing body and keeps its mouth shut.

They know employee status is coming for college athletes and if the NCAA cares anything about keeping college athletics viable they need to "farm out" the big money making sports as the pro teams they are and get them away from the schools (except as licensed entities.)

If they don't, most of college athletics will be discontinued because schools cannot afford to pay all the athletes.
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To play this out - then there would be no more Tennessee Volunteers, no more Volnation, etc. because that is associated with the schools. The money is in who these schools are and what has been built over years and years of competition and tradition.

Do the minor league baseball farms really make that much and garner that attention? Do you really think the "Knoxville Minor League NFL Football" team would really be that successful? I don't. I would just focus on the Tennessee Titans and leave it at that.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Or you could stop coming across as an intellectual elitist. See even in your reply to me you sound like an arrogant ass, maybe you simply don't realize it or it's intentional. The only real thing you need to know about the 2A is that it's absolute and there is no real argument. But even the reference you made to your pistol and your carbine sounds like you are pushing your self-anointed intellectual superiority. Most people just call them pistols, semi-automatics, AR's etc. I mean do you actually talk to your friends and family like that?
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Two words I'm thinking this dude has never been called, either combined or individually.
 
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SaintLouieVol said:
Was surprised to hear Neuheusel taking Hyatt to task on the morning espnu radio show. Felt his opting out was a big mistake and could hurt him in the long run. Also felt it was unfair to fans who are spending money to attend the Orange BG. Went so far as to say something needs to be done to prevent marquee players from skipping NY6 bowls. Personally not sure what he thinks could be done. After recent courts ruling relegating the NCAA to being a totally impotent body, who exactly does he think has the power to do anything about opt outs. Seemed a strange statement unless it was just whining like so many others looking for the “good ol’ days.”
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Hyatt decision is a gamble from many different angles - if Tennessee loses, I can guarantee you that folks will be pointing to him being part of the reason. If another WR (next guy up) goes out there has a game that exceeds anything Hyatt has done in a game this year - it leads to the question that maybe it is just the offense and not the player.

To add - I do think Hyatt is a one of a kind player - but I also think this offense is one that gives WR's a chance to shine.
 
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volfan102455 said:
To play this out - then there would be no more Tennessee Volunteers, no more Volnation, etc. because that is associated with the schools. The money is in who these schools are and what has been built over years and years of competition and tradition.

Do the minor league baseball farms really make that much and garner that attention? Do you really think the "Knoxville Minor League NFL Football" team would really be that successful? I don't. I would just focus on the Tennessee Titans and leave it at that.
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Again, I'm not suggesting that it's a good thing at all.

The court, NOT ME, has said that the NCAA's business model of calling the athletes amateurs while making millions from their efforts will not stand a challenge on anti-trust grounds, I think it was. You can Google something like "Kavanaugh NCAA employees" and read it.

It's coming. There's likely lawsuits already in lower courts working up to the Supreme Court.

If the NCAA doesn't do something ALL college athletes will be called employees of the school. That won't just cause chaos in football, it will disrupt every sport at every college. It's a huge issue and it's exactly why the NCAA won't do or say anything about athlete's rights anymore, exactly why they won't move to regulate NIL beyond where it is, and exactly why they won't police schools harshly anymore.

One more lawsuit and the NCAA collapses.
 
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Jeff Clark said:
I will probably just be keeping up with the score on ESPN the Vols will have no offense at all now.
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chattaboogie said:
Ugh. I already know this is gonna be filled with fifty five year old men who have never attended the university or donated a dime outside of gear and occasional games talking about how Hyatt, our universities first biletnikoff winner, doesn’t represent UT like they would like.
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Some of you really do live in a bubble.
 
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volfanhill said:
They will bend the knee to prevent it as long as possible.
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Perhaps or maybe not. I'm not familiar with the incoming NCAA president who is currently the Governor of Massachusetts.

I'm unsure what role Congress might play in all this because the NCAA previously tried to get an "anti-trust exemption" (I think baseball may have one) but they couldn't get it.

Not to be political at all because I have as little faith as anyone in Congress to fix anything but it's a GOP House now and Baker is a GOP Governor. I've no idea if the NCAA is trying to do something politically with his appointment.

It remains a mess. My worry is less for football and basketball but more for other sports. If schools will be expected to pay every athlete, many will simply be unable to afford it and drop a lot sports.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Perhaps or maybe not. I'm not familiar with the incoming NCAA president who is currently the Governor of Massachusetts.

I'm unsure what role Congress might play in all this because the NCAA previously tried to get an "anti-trust exemption" (I think baseball may have one) but they couldn't get it.

Not to be political at all because I have as little faith as anyone in Congress to fix anything but it's a GOP House now and Baker is a GOP Governor. I've no idea if the NCAA is trying to do something politically with his appointment.

It remains a mess. My worry is less for football and basketball but more for other sports. If schools will be expected to pay every athlete, many will simply be unable to afford it and drop a lot sports.
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I agree with the other sports concern. I don't worry about the rest. Every one of these students has the right, just like anyone else, to earn on their NIL. That's a far more important principal then people's desire to watch college sports
 
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volfanhill said:
I agree with the other sports concern. I don't worry about the rest. Every one of these students has the right, just like anyone else, to earn on their NIL. That's a far more important principal then people's desire to watch college sports
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NIL will be tiny compared to what happens if athletes are considered employees. As you mentioned, unions and collective bargaining for the multi million dollars in revenue schools get paid for football and basketball will be huge money.

Then the lawsuits that other collegiate athletes are also employees and they join the union with the football/basketball players and we're talking about a large player payroll for school athletics.

Smaller schools with less sports revenue won't be able to afford to keep athletics and that just sucks. Larger schools will start cutting sports to save on payroll.

I've said it repeatedly: schools need to get out of the sports business, especially if it's pro sports.
 
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Other_Guy said:
These is my thoughts exactly and a couple vol fans on fb trashed me for saying so, acting like this game didn't mean much of anything. One called it an exhibition game. Huh?
I responded to a guy who said "he gave his all" with the fact that no, he did not since he's skipping lol. Perhaps Hooker would have skipped too, but I would think he is bummed that he is missing out after all he did for the team to get to this reward (of a NY6 bowl).
I'm not mad at the guy. He can do whatever he wants. Perhaps it's a wise decision for him. I'm just disappointed and think he gave them a much greater chance to win. Clemson has guys sitting too. I feel like it's more of a scrimmage game at this point. I was pumped to play in the Orange Bowl. Dang it felt good. Now I'm caring less because apparently the players don't care that much.
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players don’t give a hoot about these games if they are draft eligible and with good reason. See Matt Corral as exhibit A.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Then just skip the whole college route. The NFL should just build farm teams like baseball does and let the kids develop that way. Why waste time with college and all that goes with it. I mean really what's the point? According to many here, we fans are simply an annoyance and have zero bearing on anything. And that makes me wonder why after each and every game CJH thanks the fans for their support etc and so on. I mean if in the grand scheme of things fans are irrelevant why waste the time and money?
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the nfl already has it, it is called college football.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Generally speaking, in my opinion, college football fans are among the most spoiled and entitled group in all of sports. College football fans in the south, even moreso.

The point, up until recently, was schools and TV networks raking in billions of dollars on the backs of athletes who didn’t have an opportunity to partake in that windfall.

Now those athletes can get paid while in school, and they have flexibility to make decisions in their best interest. And some fans don’t like it.

The NFL has ZERO incentive to create a farm league when one already exists…just because some entitled fans got caught up in their feelings when elite talents like a Kyle Pitts or Jalin Hyatt opt out of a bowl game.

Fans aren’t nearly as important as they used to be. Every game is televised…every single game is televised.

Every…single…game…is on television.

Schools are making money regardless.

That $50 in concessions you spend at the game is a rounding error. The annual cost of Jalin Hyatt’s scholarship was paid for after the second TV timeout of UT’s season opener.

Until that business model changes, prepare to be disappointed again if Nico opts out of a bowl game in three years.

You can ask as many rhetorical questions as you like, but the game isn’t changing anytime soon. 😂
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or if Nico transfers thanks to the portal
 
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How many games did he play in HS that he suffered significant injury? Grammer school? College? Fearing injury in a bowl game? Does he ride in a car except for absolute necessity? Walk down steps? Get within covid catching range?
My take is it's quitting on UT, his teammates, the fans. My opinion of course makes no difference. But the Florida team that was embarrassed by Oregon state did not resemble the Florida team we played earlier this year.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
NIL will be tiny compared to what happens if athletes are considered employees. As you mentioned, unions and collective bargaining for the multi million dollars in revenue schools get paid for football and basketball will be huge money.

Then the lawsuits that other collegiate athletes are also employees and they join the union with the football/basketball players and we're talking about a large player payroll for school athletics.

Smaller schools with less sports revenue won't be able to afford to keep athletics and that just sucks. Larger schools will start cutting sports to save on payroll.

I've said it repeatedly: schools need to get out of the sports business, especially if it's pro sports.
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Schools are not in the PRO SPORTS business. Yes, there is a lot of money made - but that money FUNDS ALL SPORTS for ALL ATHLETES ... even those that don't make money. This provides an opportunity for athletes who want to continue to compete while earning a college degree can do so. This is not only going to destroy college football, but ultimately it will destroy ALL college programs and take opportunity away from students who could not and probably would not further their education.

As for an athlete wanting to be an employee - well it will not be what some think it will be -

Employees can be fired for bad performance. Employees get the salary agreed to when they are hired and typically get the same pay as employees in the same role. Employees must adhere to rules their employer has - if they employer says 'you will play in every game if not hurt' - you play in every game or don't get paid (e.g. mandatory overtime). Yes, there could be bonus situations built based on performance - but that would have to be structured so that every player on the team got the same amount - or the universities would have to create criteria that could judge player performance, fairly. The schools could also penalize players, just like the NFL does.

I think the players, especially those who have very good NIL situations, if they truly understood what being an employee is, would not want to be an employee. When you are an employee, you are providing services to your employer. Your employer reaps the profits from your services, and you get whatever salary you agreed to.

Some seem to believe it is instantly a lot of money right out of high school in the pockets of the player and his / her family. The concept of NIL does that better for the best players than being an employee would.
 
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