Hypothetical - would Tennessee take him back?

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kptvol1 said:
No. I think that ship has sailed and we’d look so stupid if that happened. I’d be upset if we took him back, even for free.
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Putting the FOOL ME ONCE doctrine into play makes this (return) really a long shot.

Anybody have a clue on total squad mindset trend on Nico starting a couple of weeks back. Need to have both faith and trust in that position more than any other. I have no clue.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He was holding a straight ..... played it like he had 4 Queens.

If he doesn't get his $4 milllion from anyone? Don't be surprised if his dad ends up suing Tennessee/Spyre for defamation or some other such dumb $hit.
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And Spyre would sue for breach of contract (not showing at events) and win. Nico would lose again.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Personally, I think the explanation that the Iamaleava camp just wanted Tennessee to be more aggressive in the transfer portal is pure spin.

They saw Carson Beck getting $4 million for 1 season from Miami and they wanted that kind of money for themselves. It was a combination of greed and a lack of self-awareness. Nico isn't as good as Carson Beck. He is talented with a strong upside .... but his entourage is kidding themselves if they think he's worth $4 million for just one season.
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At the same time none of us know what type of offers Nico did have in the winter transfer portal. He may have very good reason to ask for more money, or maybe not. Maybe 4 mil was just the starting point of negotiations, but Tennessee never moved off of the 2.4 mil they supposedly they agred to in December.

The bottom line is that the excuse that there wasn't enough done in the transfer portal holds weight, whether true or not, becuase Tennessee didn't add much premier talent. We added a backup WR and a 3 star RB from Duke.
 
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NCFisher said:
Pruitt-era infractions leave the squad 2-3 players short. They've stacked the OL with young talent that Elarbee says have developed ahead of schedule https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tennessee-vols-coach-eases-big-concern-that-ut-fans-have-for-the-2025-college-football-season/ar-AA1uzUjb#:~:text=Beyond%20Sanders%2C%20the%20Vols%20will,they're%20so%20far%20ahead. and the two guys they brought in will either start or be #2, bringing some depth and field leadership.

Everyone is well aware of the leverage players have, but they don't get to run the program. Nico should have worried more about earning his check than about Heupel earning his. Now he has his first real-life lesson in business; it's nice to be heard by the boss, but when he makes his decision you've got your marching orders. And if you'd rather listen to every siren you imagine is singing your song, there's the door.
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You say this as if Nico doesn't have anything on the line either. He has his whole NFL career ahead of himself. It makes sense for him to want to surround himself with top NFL talent to raise his draft stock.

It's not that I expect him to run the program. But it's not much to ask for reunforcements after a down year offensively. Especially as we lost some senior talent. Is anyone really impressed by our additions?
 
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LAVol1 said:
And Spyre would sue for breach of contract (not showing at events) and win. Nico would lose again.
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Would be interesting to see if they could counter sue and get some back as well since he never fulfilled his contract the time he was here. Wondering also if there is language in there about seeking a contract from another collective being a breech of contract?
 
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vavolfan6 said:
You say this as if Nico doesn't have anything on the line either. He has his whole NFL career ahead of himself. It makes sense for him to want to surround himself with top NFL talent to raise his draft stock.

It's not that I expect him to run the program. But it's not much to ask for reunforcements after a down year offensively. Especially as we lost some senior talent. Is anyone really impressed by our additions?
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😂 NFL? Dude needs to find a college team that will put up with him and his family.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
At the same time none of us know what type of offers Nico did have in the winter transfer portal. He may have very good reason to ask for more money, or maybe not. Maybe 4 mil was just the starting point of negotiations, but Tennessee never moved off of the 2.4 mil they supposedly they agred to in December.

The bottom line is that the excuse that there wasn't enough done in the transfer portal holds weight, whether true or not, becuase Tennessee didn't add much premier talent. We added a backup WR and a 3 star RB from Duke.
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And 2 OGs, one a 2nd team all conference

The smoke was there wasn’t enough “top” talented WRs in Tennessee’s opinion this year.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Would be interesting to see if they could counter sue and get some back as well since he never fulfilled his contract the time he was here. Wondering also if there is language in there about seeking a contract from another collective being a breech of contract?
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If I were Spyre, I would sue for breach of contract now, otherwise, you're telling other guys it's alright to just take the money and not perform under the terms of the agreement.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
At the same time none of us know what type of offers Nico did have in the winter transfer portal. He may have very good reason to ask for more money, or maybe not. Maybe 4 mil was just the starting point of negotiations, but Tennessee never moved off of the 2.4 mil they supposedly they agred to in December.

The bottom line is that the excuse that there wasn't enough done in the transfer portal holds weight, whether true or not, becuase Tennessee didn't add much premier talent. We added a backup WR and a 3 star RB from Duke.
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That doesn't gel with the facts.

No, it doesn't hold weight, because Nico Iamaleava went all the way through spring practice, while taking the vast majority of the reps with the first team. He knew what we had on offense. His skipping the final practice last Friday was clearly just a ploy to extract another raise in NIL compensation from Tennessee.

You are making this more complicated than it obviously was. It was only about money. And Nico and his handlers have managed to screw themselves into what looks like it will be a substantial pay cut. Tulane has even backed out now. $1 million appears to be what he will have to settle for now. He would have received $2.4 million from Tennessee, if he had just left well enough alone. As for the talent he will have around him next season? We will have to wait and see where he lands .... but it's unlikely to be an upgrade from what he had.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
You are saying all this without knowing what was promised to Nico in the offseason. It's being alledged he was seeking 4 mil, which is technically not double the 2.5 mil he was slated to get paid. It's also called a negotiation. You throw out a high number and meet somewhere in the middle.

And you don't know the timeline. You are hearing second hand versions of it. He could have been negotiating or waiting out all offseason and didn't take a stand until the very last moment hoping Tennessee would counter, but did not. It's very possible Tennessee was just trying to wait things out hoping it would just all go away. There is a lot we don't know. To act like the staff as perfect in all this would be very naive.

Afterall, we don't know all that was promised to Nico in the offseason to keep him here. It was initially reported he wasn't concerned with money, but moreso with personnel and playcalling. Did Tennessee keep their end of the bargain there? Is a 3 star RB and backup transfer portal WRs really the answer? We lost Sampson, Bru, Donte Thorton, Squirrel, Cooper Mays, John Campbell, Spraggins, Holden Staes, Cam Seldon, etc on offense. And who are we replacing them with? Sure, I like some of the young talent we have in Mike Matthews, David Sanders, and Peyton Lewis. But we are inexperienced and really thin. Did we really do enough in the portal? Was there enough changes in the playbook? My fear is that we may understand Nico's side of things once we are in conference play again next season. I hope not, but there is the possibility.
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It's still theoretically possible that I could get selected as an astronaut too.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
It was widely reported on during the winter transfer portal for being the reason why Nico was displeased. And it's been reported by multiple people as well this cycle for this reason, not just one guy.
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Like it or not, Nico is labor. He is not management. He doesn't make decisions on personnel. Frankly, his input shouldn't be considered. He needs to stfu and play to the best of his ability.
 
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It's not up to any of us. My guess is that Heupel would consider letting the team vote on it, and the vote would have to be unanimous for him to return.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
You say this as if Nico doesn't have anything on the line either. He has his whole NFL career ahead of himself. It makes sense for him to want to surround himself with top NFL talent to raise his draft stock.

It's not that I expect him to run the program. But it's not much to ask for reunforcements after a down year offensively. Especially as we lost some senior talent. Is anyone really impressed by our additions?
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Obviously TN and Nico's father/agent disagree on the quality of the 2025 lineup but primarily disagree about Nico's market value. Or more importantly, Nico's value to the program.

I don't need Nico's side of the story to take a side there. Only one is acting in the interest of the program.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
It's not up to any of us. My guess is that Heupel would consider letting the team vote on it, and the vote would have to be unanimous for him to return.
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D. White and Heupel agreed cutting Nico was best for the program. There will be no vote and there is no path for Nico's return that doesn't shred the program. It's done.
 
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LAVol1 said:
If I were Spyre, I would sue for breach of contract now, otherwise, you're telling other guys it's alright to just take the money and not perform under the terms of the agreement.
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If Spyre inked a remotely competent deal based upon attained metrics, there should be little to no breach of contract.
 
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NCFisher said:
If Spyre inked a remotely competent deal based upon attained metrics, there should be little to no breach of contract.
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I assume you are saying there should have been a remedy for non-performance in the Spyre/Nico contract. I've written and/or administered hundreds of contracts and none of them had a remedy for non-performance. Of the two legal disputes we had, we won them both, one with a summary judgement issued by the presiding judge before we went to trial (he determined the defendant didn't have a case) and the other when, after depositions, the opposing attorney realized he didn't have a winnable case.
 
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