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I was talking to my friend about in-state basketball talent in Tennessee. After some discussion, I I was wondering how everyone thinks the first few years of the Pearl era would have turned out if:

A) Pearl managed to hang on to Tyler Smith in his initial recruiting class.
B) Pearl managed to hang on to Jamont Gordon in his initial recruiting class.
C) Buzz Peterson was able to get Corey Brewer instead of Dane Bradshaw.
D) Buzz Peterson was able to get Lee Humphrey instead of Jordan Howell.

I could certainly be forgetting some players we should have gotten but couldn't, so feel free to mention another player we missed out on.
 
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Still lacking a point guard. Plus I don't know any coach who would make those players you mentioned play together at a high level.
 
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mtt2d said:
Still lacking a point guard. Plus I don't know any coach who would make those players you mentioned play together at a high level.
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I always thought Will Kemp would have been good for Pearl. Would have been better for his career than Cal was.
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Branden Wright is still deep on an NBA roster. I can't remember which team. He played in several games this season and had a few decent games. I remember looking throught the waiver wire in my fantasy league and seeing him a few times in the top 100 available players in avg rank for the week.
 
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Things would've been different. I'd say its debatable the amount of success would have been in comparison to what actually transpired. Pearl seemed to get more out of less, and if that trend would've continued with this hypothetical situation, I'm not sure if it would've resulted in more wins or not.
 
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Without Joakim Noah, Al Horford, et al in the post drawing defensive attention, Lee Humphrey pretty much is Jordan Howell.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Without Joakim Noah, Al Horford, et al in the post drawing defensive attention, Lee Humphrey pretty much is Jordan Howell.
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Humphrey basically benefited from playing with three reliable post players and three reliable guards.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Without Joakim Noah, Al Horford, et al in the post drawing defensive attention, Lee Humphrey pretty much is Jordan Howell.
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Wasn't Humphrey a better shooter?

Now that I think about it, we had Lofton anyways, so I guess we probably didn't need another shooter.

Still, I'd have to think Tennessee would have had some better teams.
 
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Lofton and Jajuan. Loften benefitted from Jajuan in the opposite corner as much as Humphrey benefitted from the Noah/Horford duo. Taureen Green was an underrated part of that team IMO as well. He was the glue that held Noah's ego in check... similar to CJ's elbow kept his teeth lookin like a jack-o-lantern.

I wonder how those locker room and practice discussions go now that they are on the same team. I'm sure the other players get a geek or two out of Noah's tooth-gap due to CJ. :)
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
Lofton and Jajuan. Loften benefitted from Jajuan in the opposite corner as much as Humphrey benefitted from the Noah/Horford duo. Taureen Green was an underrated part of that team IMO as well. He was the glue that held Noah's ego in check.
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I think you're selling Smith and Lofton short
 
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hatvol96 said:
Without Joakim Noah, Al Horford, et al in the post drawing defensive attention, Lee Humphrey pretty much is Jordan Howell.
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Lee wouldn't go on a cold streak like Howell did if he shot lefthanded and Howell wouldn't have seen minutes at UF at that time.
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pl3 said:
Lee wouldn't go on a cold streak like Howell did if he shot lefthanded and Howell wouldn't have seen minutes at UF at that time.
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How good a shooter you are doesn't matter much if you can't get your shot off. The issue was how much Lee Humphrey would have helped Tennessee compared to Jordan Howell. The answer is not damn much. It would be trading one poor defender and mediocre ballhandler for another.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How good a shooter you are doesn't matter much if you can't get your shot off. The issue was how much Lee Humphrey would have helped Tennessee compared to Jordan Howell. The answer is not damn much. It would be trading one poor defender and mediocre ballhandler for another.
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Howell made @ 30 3's his sr year and had to be benched because he couldn't hit squat. Humphrey made over 100. That's 210 pts difference. Humphrey would have plenty of shots with 2 of bradshaw/lofton/smith on the court. He wouldn't make 113, but he'd hit plenty more than Howell, who didn't have a hand in his face for most of his 100+ shots.
 
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pl3 said:
Howell made @ 30 3's his sr year and had to be benched because he couldn't hit squat. Humphrey made over 100. That's 210 pts difference. Humphrey would have plenty of shots with 2 of bradshaw/lofton/smith on the court. He wouldn't make 113, but he'd hit plenty more than Howell, who didn't have a hand in his face for most of his 100+ shots.
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Lofton, Smith, and Bradshaw combined to draw zero double teams in their entire combined careers at UT. Hell, people pretty much gave Bradshaw the Steve Pearl treatment his senior year. He sure as hell wasn't drawing extra defensive attention.
 
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pl3 said:
Howell made @ 30 3's his sr year and had to be benched because he couldn't hit squat. Humphrey made over 100. That's 210 pts difference. Humphrey would have plenty of shots with 2 of bradshaw/lofton/smith on the court. He wouldn't make 113, but he'd hit plenty more than Howell, who didn't have a hand in his face for most of his 100+ shots.
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Howell didn't have a hand in his face for the same reason Dane Bradshaw and Steve Pearl didn't. It's not because people were drawing extra defensive attention.
 
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It's like trading Chris Brand for Lang Wiseman. Are you better? Yes. Does it make a significant difference? No.
 
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pl3 said:
Howell made @ 30 3's his sr year and had to be benched because he couldn't hit squat. Humphrey made over 100. That's 210 pts difference. Humphrey would have plenty of shots with 2 of bradshaw/lofton/smith on the court. He wouldn't make 113, but he'd hit plenty more than Howell, who didn't have a hand in his face for most of his 100+ shots.
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Since none of the people in the hypothetical threesome, Humphrey with two of Smith-Lofton-Bradshaw, can remotely play point guard, how do you propose that group would have defended and rebounded?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Lofton, Smith, and Bradshaw combined to draw zero double teams in their entire combined careers at UT. Hell, people pretty much gave Bradshaw the Steve Pearl treatment his senior year. He sure as hell wasn't drawing extra defensive attention.
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Noah wasn't double teamed either. Maybe Horford. You don't have to have a down low double team for an open shot. Bradshaw, whether you like him or not, was very good at penetrating and getting the ball to Lofton and Smith spotting up. I disagree in the attention given to Lofton and Smith. Attention to them or hard close outs, with pumps and sidesteps, get open shots on the perimeter. Howell didn't have a hand in his face because they weren't worried about him hitting a shot for the last 3 months of the year.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Since none of the people in the hypothetical threesome, Humphrey with two of Smith-Lofton-Bradshaw, can remotely play point guard, how do you propose that group would have defended and rebounded?
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We're talking Humphrey for Howell. Don't tangent me. I'm not talking about d and rb's, though Bradshaw could and did buy minutes at point and won a couple of state champ trophies and mvp's for doing so in hs.
 
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