I’ve no love lost for Rick Pitino the man, but my goodness

[JohnWardForever]

Not only any school would hire him but a CATHOLIC institution.

You would expect schools like Auburn and Ole Miss to hire any sleazebag like they did but for a highly regarded Catholic one ?

You been keeping up with the Catholics lately? For the last 20 years? Talk about scandals, OMG

 

[Volizona]

Rick Barnes agrees.. And there aren't another 99 that matter. It is so bush league. And it's not cool as some think. A college degree should enhance one's vocabulary. AND if you are going for effect, using it in every sentence (as Pitino did) negates what effect you were aiming for. It's just vulgar. I know I'm in the minority, but I'm happy to be there.

Agree very much. Unfortunately this seems to be the world we live in now. I feel it’s a sign of low class but it doesn’t s normalized today.

 

[Volizona]

Because of his modest demeanor and massive winning John Wooden was able to cultivate an aura of decency when the truth is he was coach and ring leader of one of the greatest cheating programs of all time. See Sam Gilbert. He was what Logan Young at Alabama hoped to be.

I wasn’t aware of this. Haven’t really read much about him.

 

[Volizona]

John Wooden? Wooden is one of the slimiest coaches in history. He had Sam Gilbert bankrolling his program for decades. Tony Bennett, Rick Majerus, and Bo Ryan are some of the guys who I think we’re about as clean as you can be.

Per the other post, I wasn’t aware of this at all. Will have to read more about Wooden. Scratch him off the list then.

 

[AthensVol2007]

I just don't get why it is so passe to use that language as the norm.. If you need to throw out F bombs, you have failed in your presentation. I'll take Coach Barnes.

Barnes stopped, it’s not as if he was always that way.

 

[AthensVol2007]

You been keeping up with the Catholics lately? For the last 20 years? Talk about scandals, OMG

This can be said about any denomination, the difference is they happen in individual, independent churches that aren’t governed as an institution; therefore it’s not publicized, nor is any other “denomination” as large and far reaching as the Catholic Church so it’s not as big of a story.

Does my Florida childhood Baptist preacher banging the church secretary constitute as a Baptist scandal? Or my parents Kentucky Baptist preacher convincing his wife she had Alzheimer’s and mental issues while taking her keys from her so she’s stuck at home while he has an affair and later divorcing her constitute as one?

 

[05_never_again]

This can be said about any denomination, the difference is they happen in individual, independent churches that aren’t governed as an institution; therefore it’s not publicized, nor is any other “denomination” as large and far reaching as the Catholic Church so it’s not as big of a story.

Does my Florida childhood Baptist preacher banging the church secretary constitute as a Baptist scandal? Or my parents Kentucky Baptist preacher convincing his wife she had Alzheimer’s and mental issues while taking her keys from her so she’s stuck at home while he has an affair and later divorcing her constitute as one?

To the degree that the broader institution is involved in a cover up, yes, the story is different. The Catholic Church is extremely hierarchical in a way that Baptist or other churches are not. There is a distinct chain of command, clergy overseeing other clergy, etc.. There were kids who were raped by a priest, and it turns out that his boss knew about it and did nothing, his boss's boss knew about it and did nothing, etc. That's a different story than something happening at one church and nobody else knowing.

There were sexual harassment allegations at the Southern Baptist Convention a few years ago that did get some press; the SBC is not an institution in the same way that the Catholic Church is (it is more like a co-op as opposed to a corporation), but it still got press.

 

[BowlBrother85]

John Wooden? Wooden is one of the slimiest coaches in history. He had Sam Gilbert bankrolling his program for decades. Tony Bennett, Rick Majerus, and Bo Ryan are some of the guys who I think we’re about as clean as you can be.

I would include CM Newton in that group as a coach with integrity as well. He left Alabama in 1980, for a position in the SEC league office, and then returned to coaching a year later, at Vanderbilt, where he knew he could keep boosters away from his players. Newton left Bama because he wanted to run a clean program more than he wanted to win.

You are right about John Wooden. His successor, Gene Bartow, sent a letter to the NCAA's committee on infractions chair, David Berst, thanking him for not investigating UCLA's basketball program in 1976, because he was afraid of what Sam Gilbert might do to him, if he cooperated with such an investigation. Gilbert had extensive mafia ties. Bartow literally thanked Berst for "saving his life."

 

[AthensVol2007]

To the degree that the broader institution is involved in a cover up, yes, the story is different. The Catholic Church is extremely hierarchical in a way that Baptist or other churches are not. There is a distinct chain of command, clergy overseeing other clergy, etc.. There were kids who were raped by a priest, and it turns out that his boss knew about it and did nothing, his boss's boss knew about it and did nothing, etc. That's a different story than something happening at one church and nobody else knowing.

There were sexual harassment allegations at the Southern Baptist Convention a few years ago that did get some press; the SBC is not an institution in the same way that the Catholic Church is (it is more like a co-op as opposed to a corporation), but it still got press.

I understand the hierarchy well, as I married into a Catholic family 14 years ago and consider myself one today without going through the formal process. But that’s my exact point, the SBC isn’t governed the same way so it’s just myriad of individual instances that totaled up are a black eye as well. And yes there have been coverups to protect the image and it’s one of the things that have held me back from making the official leap of confirmation. But like the Baptist’s (or any other denomination) these are bad individual actors with some bad accomplices in terms of the coverup. You won’t find a Catholic member, at least none that I’ve known, who will condone the church’s or local diocese’s handling of those types of situations. I was on the outside looking in for 25 years and painted the Catholic Church with the same broad brush of negativity that more times than not, non-Catholics do.

 

[AthensVol2007]

To the degree that the broader institution is involved in a cover up, yes, the story is different. The Catholic Church is extremely hierarchical in a way that Baptist or other churches are not. There is a distinct chain of command, clergy overseeing other clergy, etc.. There were kids who were raped by a priest, and it turns out that his boss knew about it and did nothing, his boss's boss knew about it and did nothing, etc. That's a different story than something happening at one church and nobody else knowing.

There were sexual harassment allegations at the Southern Baptist Convention a few years ago that did get some press; the SBC is not an institution in the same way that the Catholic Church is (it is more like a co-op as opposed to a corporation), but it still got press.

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[05_never_again]

I understand the hierarchy well, as I married into a Catholic family 14 years ago and consider myself one today without going through the formal process. But that’s my exact point, the SBC isn’t governed the same way so it’s just myriad of individual instances that totaled up are a black eye as well. And yes there have been coverups to protect the image and it’s one of the things that have held me back from making the official leap of confirmation. But like the Baptist’s (or any other denomination) these are bad individual actors with some bad accomplices in terms of the coverup. You won’t find a Catholic member, at least none that I’ve known, who will condone the church’s or local diocese’s handling of those types of situations. I was on the outside looking in for 25 years and painted the Catholic Church with the same broad brush of negativity that more times than not, non-Catholics do.

I agree with all of that. I was just answering your question from the previous post, where you asked "Does my Florida childhood Baptist preacher banging the church secretary constitute as a Baptist scandal?" My answer was not in the same way as the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, because in that case there was a cover-up that ran up the institutional hierarchy.

To the degree that the SBC harassment was known about and covered up by others in the organization, then that would constitute an "SBC scandal."

 

[AthensVol2007]

I agree with all of that. I was just answering your question from the previous post, where you asked "Does my Florida childhood Baptist preacher banging the church secretary constitute as a Baptist scandal?" My answer was not in the same way as the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, because in that case there was a cover-up that ran up the institutional hierarchy.

To the degree that the SBC harassment was known about and covered up by others in the organization, then that would constitute an "SBC scandal."

The OP I responded to said scandals, I would argue every denomination on some level has had scandals and local church’s in situations have likely swept them under the rug/handled them quietly as to not raise local attention, lose members or tarnish images.

Not sure how either of these scenarios are much different if at all than what went on in the Catholic Church. Bad apples and power are never a good combo. Overall point is don’t throw stones and don’t generalize. We’d like to hope the goods unequivocally dwarf the bads.

Church apologizes for sexual misconduct | UMNews.org

The apology, part of a resolution passed in the last hour of General Conference, is to be offered in the spirit of offering healing for all affected.

www.umnews.org

 

[hUTch2002]

Rick Barnes agrees.. And there aren't another 99 that matter. It is so bush league. And it's not cool as some think. A college degree should enhance one's vocabulary. AND if you are going for effect, using it in every sentence (as Pitino did) negates what effect you were aiming for. It's just vulgar. I know I'm in the minority, but I'm happy to be there.

I certainly won’t claim to never use the word but I do make an effort not to do so and it was definitely unnecessary in Pitino’s speech. His passion and tone carried the message well enough and it was a great message.