I-95 Bridge Collapse In Philadelphia

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They said the same thing when the one in Atlanta happened. It was rebuilt way sooner than originally estimated.
yeah, only took about a month and half. but they gave out some huge incentives to help them cut in line.
 
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So...

Jet fuel won't melt or weaken steel in an enclosed space, but gasoline will destroy concrete in open air?

Now I've gone and done it...
I thought the same when I read about it over the weekend. I guess the steel girders holding up the concrete deck are weakened by car fuel burning.
 
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I just saw video of people driving on the overpass while the massive fire was raging below. You know how people are..gotta get to where I am going.
 
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I thought the same when I read about it over the weekend. I guess the steel girders holding up the concrete deck are weakened by car fuel burning.
I thought the same when I read about it over the weekend. I guess the steel girders holding up the concrete deck are weakened by car fuel burning.
a couple things.

1. think of a chain. you don't break the strongest link when you break a chain, you break the weakest point. pretty similar to buildings, and probably bridges. It probably wasn't a big structural member failing. I would look at the little pieces holding the big pieces together.
2. most of the "visible damage" you are seeing in the road probably came from the collapse rather than the fire.
3. IMO what likely happened, its what happened down here in Atlanta, is the heat from the fire causes the section to expand, that pushes against the weak points holding it together on either end. those points were also weakened by the fire. It would not take much thermal expansion to create some insane pressures. and there is probably enough expansion from that fire to override whatever built in movement they have. so those weak points at either end, or one end, fail, can't hold the bridge in place anymore, and the thermal expansion eventually pushes it out beyond whatever was physically holding it up, and the section falls. that likely drags down the other end, and explains the crack in the middle with one end giving out first, hitting the ground, the force of the section leaning on that one side found a weak point in the middle, cracked it, and as it gave away again, from the middle, it likely pulled the other end out.
 
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a couple things.

1. think of a chain. you don't break the strongest link when you break a chain, you break the weakest point. pretty similar to buildings, and probably bridges. It probably wasn't a big structural member failing. I would look at the little pieces holding the big pieces together.
2. most of the "visible damage" you are seeing in the road probably came from the collapse rather than the fire.
3. IMO what likely happened, its what happened down here in Atlanta, is the heat from the fire causes the section to expand, that pushes against the weak points holding it together on either end. those points were also weakened by the fire. It would not take much thermal expansion to create some insane pressures. and there is probably enough expansion from that fire to override whatever built in movement they have. so those weak points at either end, or one end, fail, can't hold the bridge in place anymore, and the thermal expansion eventually pushes it out beyond whatever was physically holding it up, and the section falls. that likely drags down the other end, and explains the crack in the middle with one end giving out first, hitting the ground, the force of the section leaning on that one side found a weak point in the middle, cracked it, and as it gave away again, from the middle, it likely pulled the other end out.

I appreciate the knowledge-bomb. Nice work...


....for a change.
 
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Give credit where credit is due. I can't believe they are actually going to do this. Hell, if they do it in 2 months, much less 2 weeks, I would be impressed. My questions would be how many "regulations" are being ignored and how much did they bribe pay the union bosses...

 
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Give credit where credit is due. I can't believe they are actually going to do this. Hell, if they do it in 2 months, much less 2 weeks, I would be impressed. My questions would be how many "regulations" are being ignored and how much did they bribe pay the union bosses...


So we’ve gone from “let’s see if these US schmucks can do better than my Russian brothers” to “well ok but they have to be cheating and paying the mob to expedite it” huh Moe?🤡 🤡 🤡
 
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So we’ve gone from “let’s see if these US schmucks can do better than my Russian brothers” to “well ok but they have to be cheating and paying the mob to expedite it” huh Moe?🤡 🤡 🤡

The last time the goalposts got moved so quick, Dixieland Delight was playing in the background and Bama players were hitting women...
 
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Give credit where credit is due. I can't believe they are actually going to do this. Hell, if they do it in 2 months, much less 2 weeks, I would be impressed. My questions would be how many "regulations" are being ignored and how much did they bribe pay the union bosses...



Deceptive advertising. They will have I-95 open in 2 weeks, not the bridge being fully functional and repaired. I kind-o-think think that Union county could pave a cross over and a ramp detour in a couple of days.
 
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Give credit where credit is due. I can't believe they are actually going to do this. Hell, if they do it in 2 months, much less 2 weeks, I would be impressed. My questions would be how many "regulations" are being ignored and how much did they bribe pay the union bosses...



Where there's a will, there's a way. But without doubt, there will have to be some payoffs to people who won't be getting their hands dirty for the will to be found. Expect a lot of union labor to be milling around until some premiums get paid; you know there isn't a chance in the world this job would go to a non union contractor - especially in Philadelphia.
 

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