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[LawVol13]

Two sources in the UT athletic department who requested anonymity because of the NCAA case has not been completed, said Hamilton has been aware of the so-called “bump” violation, which refers to an unintentional impermissible contact. The sources said UT’s compliance department deemed it wasn’t a violation, and so it wasn’t self-reported.

This was in an article written by "Softball" Griffith the day after the LOA was received. Of course, it turned out to be complete garbage as Hamilton was not aware of it. Wonder who these sources were that claimed it had been turned over to compliance? My money is that it was someone on the coaching staff.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

This was in an article written by "Softball" Griffith the day after the LOA was received. Of course, it turned out to be complete garbage as Hamilton was not aware of it. Wonder who these sources were that claimed it had been turned over to compliance? My money is that it was someone on the coaching staff.

bold accusation without any evidence to support it. Pot meet kettle?

 

[LawVol13]

bold accusation without any evidence to support it. Pot meet kettle?

There's plenty of evidence. Mike Griffith might as well be on the basketball staff as much as he sucks up to them. He has pretty much unlimited access to the team. And, how much sense would it make for someone connected to Hamilton to just come out and blatantly lie to a reporter? Easy answer, none.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Again, just like hat's thread, this looks like piling on. Except he actually he had a tiny quote to dissect. Just let it go. It will all be over soon.

 

[kw7pd4]

There's plenty of evidence. Mike Griffith might as well be on the basketball staff as much as he sucks up to them. He has pretty much unlimited access to the team. And, how much sense would it make for someone connected to Hamilton to just come out and blatantly lie to a reporter? Easy answer, none.

Uh, seems like there's been some lying before without much sense.

 

[justingroves]

Again, just like hat's thread, this looks like piling on. Except he actually he had a tiny quote to dissect. Just let it go. It will all be over soon.

Eh, Grif has kissed so much ass over in Pratt Pavilion it's not funny.

I've witnessed it first hand.

It is funny when Griff is not only off but way the hell off.

But other than comedic value, it doesn't warrant much

 

[LawVol13]

Again, just like hat's thread, this looks like piling on. Except he actually he had a tiny quote to dissect. Just let it go. It will all be over soon.

Again, I'm sorry your hero's going to get the axe, but I think this is a legitimate question. If someone has an alternative scenario on who might have told Softball that, I'd legitimately like to see it. If it was someone on this staff, it's just further evidence why no one should feel an ounce of pity for any of them.

 

[Unimane]

Like I said, the bump deal is garbage. The NCAA wanted to stick it to Pearl and "found" a way to do it with a two minute conversation. There was enough to fire Pearl last summer, but the donors were behind Pearl (mostly) until the bump deal.

 

[Kingston Vol]

The coaching staff still doesn't think it was a violation, according to Rucker.

 

[LawVol13]

Like I said, the bump deal is garbage. The NCAA wanted to stick it to Pearl and "found" a way to do it with a two minute conversation. There was enough to fire Pearl last summer, but the donors were behind Pearl (mostly) until the bump deal.

How is it garbage? He knew he should have reported it, and it appears that not only did he not, he may have lied again and pretended he did. Even if he didn't not reporting something like that to compliance is further evidence why we can't afford for him to be the coach.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Again, I'm sorry your hero's going to get the axe, but I think this is a legitimate question. If someone has an alternative scenario on who might have told Softball that, I'd legitimately like to see it. If it was someone on this staff, it's just further evidence why no one should feel an ounce of pity for any of them.

It could have been a coach, it could have been a player, it could have been an intern in the compliance office, it could have been someone from the AD's office.

It could have been Griff creating it out of thin air.

It literally could have been anyone, and it doesn't matter now... at all.

 

[Unimane]

The coaching staff still doesn't think it was a violation, according to Rucker.

Which is why I don't understand people criticizing him for not telling Hamilton and "lying again". Why report something that isn't a violation?

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Which is why I don't understand people criticizing him for not telling Hamilton and "lying again". Why report something that isn't a violation?

very good point.

 

[Unimane]

How is it garbage? He knew he should have reported it, and it appears that not only did he not, he may have lied again and pretended he did. Even if he didn't not reporting something like that to compliance is further evidence why we can't afford for him to be the coach.

Again, why report something you don't think is a violation? What sense is that? And, how would he be lying for something he didn't believe was a violation?

 

[LawVol13]

It could have been a coach, it could have been a player, it could have been an intern in the compliance office, it could have been someone from the AD's office.

It could have been Griff creating it out of thin air.

It literally could have been anyone, and it doesn't matter now... at all.

Right. Most of the time players know everything about reporting minor recruiting violations. As for it not mattering, it's not going to matter now with regard to Pearl's fate. But, it is proof that Softball's an idiot, and this staff is full of liars.

 

[justingroves]

Again, why report something you don't think is a violation? What sense is that? And, how would he be lying for something he didn't believe was a violation?

I find it hard to believe a coach doesn't know that rule especially since it can be construed as a major violation.

 

[LawVol13]

Which is why I don't understand people criticizing him for not telling Hamilton and "lying again". Why report something that isn't a violation?

Are you really this naive, Unimane? He thought he wouldn't get caught; that's why he didn't report it. When he did, he's pretending that he didn't consider it a violation.

 

[justingroves]

If Grif's right (which I highly doubt), then this turns into a lack of institutional control.

It is a kind of a big deal now that I think about it.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Right. Most of the time players know everything about reporting minor recruiting violations. As for it not mattering, it's not going to matter now with regard to Pearl's fate. But, it is proof that Softball's an idiot, and this staff is full of liars.

it actually isn't proof of either one of those things. Griff may have gotten that information from an inside source, which makes it completely allowable for a journalist to print a story on what he was told, and the staff very well might not have had anything to do with the story, therefore there is no proof that they lied to him.

You have no evidence of either thing, and are clearly grasping at straws and trying your damnedest to bash CBP in anyway possible. Give it a rest. It is a broken record. This article is a month old and irrelevant.

 

[Unimane]

Are you really this naive, Unimane? He thought he wouldn't get caught; that's why he didn't report it. When he did, he's pretending that he didn't consider it a violation.

No, that's what you think because you want to believe this. The evidence stated that it was a two minute contact. That's a bump to me and well within reason to consider this not a violation. In fact, it happens all the time without it being a violation, until the NCAA gets pissy and wants to find something a little extra to stick it to Pearl.

 

[LawVol13]

No, that's what you think because you want to believe this. The evidence stated that it was a two minute contact. That's a bump to me and well within reason to consider this not a violation. In fact, it happens all the time without it being a violation, until the NCAA gets pissy and wants to find something a little extra to stick it to Pearl.

Judging by the fact that Pearl's support completely disappeared after they found out he didn't report it, it's safe to assume that you're in the minority.

 

[volfaninwisconsin]

Well to me its just like if you get accused and someone sticks by you and they say until this is over I dont want you to even breathe funny and this seems the same thing .

 

[LawVol13]

it actually isn't proof of either one of those things. Griff may have gotten that information from an inside source, which makes it completely allowable for a journalist to print a story on what he was told, and the staff very well might not have had anything to do with the story, therefore there is no proof that they lied to him.

You have no evidence of either thing, and are clearly grasping at straws and trying your damnedest to bash CBP in anyway possible. Give it a rest. It is a broken record. This article is a month old and irrelevant.

Griff's a complete moron. This is just further evidence of that. I'm challenging anyone to tell me who else would have given Griffith that information. I don't see any way that it was some athletic department official. That leaves the staff.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Griff's a complete moron. This is just further evidence of that. I'm challenging anyone to tell me who else would have given Griffith that information. I don't see any way that it was some athletic department official. That leaves the staff.

I already gave you a list. Someone in the AD, someone on the team, someone in the compliance office, the list is endless.

You'll never know unless Griff says who it was, or if the person that did it says they said it.

It does not matter. No one reads his sh*t anyway, and it clearly appears that it was incorrect.

 

[Unimane]

Judging by the fact that Pearl's support completely disappeared after they found out he didn't report it, it's safe to assume that you're in the minority.

And that is relevant because? So, some donors not aware of NCAA rules get tired of the media hits and bail. That doesn't change the facts of what we're arguing here. Appealing to the bandwagon isn't a successful argument tool.

All I know is that I've seen the bump rule happen all the time and never heard of the NCAA even making it a secondary violation for a coach. So, to me, it's not a violation and I wouldn't see any reason why UT or Pearl would deem it a violation.