I guess im in for a coaching change now, but Gruden is not our guy.....

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I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.
 
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Hmmm, in the last five years, name a parent who has gone to the head coach to protest playing time?
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Really? His parents complained that he wasn't getting enough time? heck, he was getting too much time...


Gheez
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Homeboy. Do you understand what question marks mean? Dang. I probably shouldn't ask a question again. You'll just think it's a statement.

All I remember was his consant *****ing about something. He did pull him out of school. And bring him home.
 
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If you think every coach in college football doesn't deal with that type of stuff, you're incorrect.

When players get recruited that all want to know about playing time. The promises that are made during recruiting get broken when kids under perform or another player out performs someones son. That leads to upset families that coaches have to deal with.
 
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I disagree.We need to make a strong push for Gruden.Offer him first then every one else comes 2nd 3rd and so on.
 
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Ok please tell me why people think that if we offer anyone will come? Did we not go through this just a couple of years ago and had a really hard time finding ANYONE that would take it. We had more money then also. Yes the talent was not as good as it is now on the team but I still do not see why people think we can reel in this big fish. Listen I want a big name here also and I want this to work but we need to see the glass for what it is.
 
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kcartledge85 said:
I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.
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Saban for Shula and Meyer for Zook....they took talent that was being wasted and with their proven winning methods had instant success.....super quick....I'm just saying :dunno:
 
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oldsmokey67 said:
I disagree.We need to make a strong push for Gruden.Offer him first then every one else comes 2nd 3rd and so on.
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Gruden is the super sexy hot chick all guys drool over. She might shoot you down once...but you have to keep asking to show her how damn serious you are and how badly you want her. Persistance and time if she says no....persistance and time.

Saban said no to Bama when he was in Miami....I'm just saying....:dunno:
 
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G0V0LS33 said:
Ok please tell me why people think that if we offer anyone will come? Did we not go through this just a couple of years ago and had a really hard time finding ANYONE that would take it. We had more money then also. Yes the talent was not as good as it is now on the team but I still do not see why people think we can reel in this big fish. Listen I want a big name here also and I want this to work but we need to see the glass for what it is.
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This is also a worry of mine. With that said, the program is in a much better place and a more attractive destination than it was 3 years ago. However, the last thing we need is to fire Dooley and then get the 12th candidate on our list again.

Again, I want our next coach to bleed orange. Which has be leaning toward Coach Cut, if hes willing to take the job.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Gruden is the super sexy hot chick all guys drool over. She might shoot you down once...but you have to keep asking to show her how damn serious you are and how badly you want her. Persistance and time if she says no....persistance and time.

Saban said no to Bama when he was in Miami....I'm just saying....:dunno:
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99 no's and 1 yes equals yes lol
 
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No need to respond when someone says we can't get a better coach so let's continue with Dooley. Another year and this program will sink even further. An enthusiastic new coach can do wonders just look down the road to Vandy. As much as I hate Franklin he runs circles around Dooley.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Saban for Shula and Meyer for Zook....they took talent that was being wasted and with their proven winning methods had instant success.....super quick....I'm just saying :dunno:
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I agree with you. But it doesn't help if that coach is gone 3 years after taking the job.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
No need to respond when someone says we can't get a better coach so let's continue with Dooley. Another year and this program will sink even further. An enthusiastic new coach can do wonders just look down the road to Vandy. As much as I hate Franklin he runs circles around Dooley.
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Where did anyone say we could't get a better coach? I have no doubt that we can get a better coach than Dooley, but i don't want a better coach that's going to be here for 3 years and were left doing this all over again.

AGAIN...... WE NEED STABILITY!
 
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G0V0LS33 said:
Ok please tell me why people think that if we offer anyone will come? Did we not go through this just a couple of years ago and had a really hard time finding ANYONE that would take it. We had more money then also. Yes the talent was not as good as it is now on the team but I still do not see why people think we can reel in this big fish. Listen I want a big name here also and I want this to work but we need to see the glass for what it is.
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Because the cupboard was especially bare last time. It isn't that there wasn't enough talent, there weren't enough warm bodies. CLK had run off the few decent players CPF had recruited (Tajh Boyd, most notably) and not finished the refurbishing job before he left.

This time, there is a quality OL to build behind, decent LBs, a couple of tolerable RBs, and maybe a pair of NFL-caliber WRs and a NFL-caliber QB (although the last three will likely not still be here) and depth behind them. As to the first question, "why do we think if we offer anyone will come?" $$$$ will make a lot of people available that wouldn't have been available last time.
 
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kcartledge85 said:
I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.
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This whole damn post is :crazy:
 
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Funny thread. Funny OP.

Bama went big. Ohio State went big. USCe went big. LSU, Oregon, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Texas A&M, etc. all went with proven, winning head coaches from lesser schools that brought great staffs and systems. Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc. went with proven, top coordinators of proven, high profile programs.

All of those programs are what UT claimed to be in the past and present. Now that the future is here, did UT follow the path to success of all of the above listed schools? No. They hired an unproven coach who had never been a coordinator that had a losing record from a lesser school. How did that turn out? Yet, we have complete morons in our fan base that want to retain him. Unbelievable.

Either UT is a big time school that goes with a big time hire or even a major step up hire - or - Cheek, the BOT, Hart and major boosters desire to downsize the scope and mission of the football program. As fans we should support or dump them accordingly.
 
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Well written post, but I don't agree with any post that suggest or elude to CDD being replaced. I think everyone's facts are misleading and self-serving. CDD only has two recuiting classes under his belt, that means Freshman and Sophmores are being held responsible for saving his job.......IS football so important to all you, that all this rumbling is worth it, has life become so boring that UT Football fills your void. I'm serious, if you have a room painted O&W, and everything you own some how is wraped around UT Football.......I am guessing your home and business life is not what you might say is what you thought it would be........back away a few feet and look at yourself....you are trashing a bunch of 19-20 year old men and a coach who is eating and sleeping UT Football. Isn't that what we wanted for someone to come and rebuild the program? One or two teams does not build what Saban has built. Highering and Firing will give these other schools all they need to get that 4/5 star recuit. However, a VOLNATION who stands behind its team and coach builds a program and legacy.......ask CPF, he had it once and knows. None of what UT achieved up to 1998 was easy and great to watch, but I say CPF built a program off the backs of many teams, not one.
 
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I agree with the person who posted above me, everyone wants to see change but no one realizes that if we were to fire CDD a good part of his recruiting class may leave and also may tip CP, JH, and TBray to declare where they may have not otherwise if DD stayed.

While I am all for having a home run hire, with the improvement the o-line has seen since past season and the potential improvement the D could see through the offseason I think it would be irrational to fire Dooley at this point.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
99 no's and 1 yes equals yes lol
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im a car salesman and thats how it is in the business lol i hear 10-15 no's on every deal but they still take the car and head on down the road at the end of the day happy as all get out. ignore all initial objections is a saying we have. hopefully the boosters stick to that
 
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