I hate Alabama so much…

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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Yep, the monument to those who died in the War in Blount County has 48 Union veterans’ names and only 5 Confederates, yet Maryville high school’s mascot is the Rebels.

The Confederacy had to garrison Knoxville with troops from northern Georgia because all the locals were off fighting in the Army of the Potomac or some such.
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I won't lie, growing up in the South, there is this sympathy with the Confederacy that you feel and it is hard to not root for them based on the every day soldier and under dog mentality. (Plus the fact they nearly won the war).

However, in the scheme of things, the Confederates were very bad for this country and would have caused MAJOR problems if they win. I also do not have any Confederate items because I know it offends some people and I definitely understand why. The main cause behind the Confederacy was to keep a group of people enslaved based on their skin color. No matter how you spin it, that was the reason. On top of that, they would have broken our Republic if they had won and my prediction is USA would be 30 different countries today that would be all hostile to each other like Europe pre WW2. I also think many USA states would have been taken over by Europeans who would have taken advantage of a broken United States. (I do think Slavery would have ended at some point no matter what happened because it was an inevitable global social movement that wasn't going to be stopped. Not sure in this scenario if there would be Apartheid or Jim Crow or not. I am of the opinion that Jim Crow\segregation was even worse than Slavery because one was an economic reason done in ignorance/tradition while the other was done simply out of hatred).

Ultimately, the Union was the GOOD guys and it is a far better result that they won that war even if it did lead to some problematic overreach by the Federal Government in the long-term.

The worse thing that could have happened to the South in the 1860s was Abraham Lincoln being assassinated. I think Lincoln would have kept greater stability and got us through reconstruction in a better situation.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Funny thing is that East Tennessee and Gatlinburg spew out the most Confederate stuff now but they were literally a pro-Union area. Knoxville cheered when the Union entered the city.
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I’ve never seen so many confederate flags and Trump flags side by side then I did in Seiverville and Pigeon Forge
 
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volbound1700 said:
I won't lie, growing up in the South, there is this sympathy with the Confederacy that you feel and it is hard to not root for them based on the every day soldier and under dog mentality. (Plus the fact they nearly won the war).

However, in the scheme of things, the Confederates were very bad for this country and would have caused MAJOR problems if they win. I also do not have any Confederate items because I know it offends some people and I definitely understand why. The main cause behind the Confederacy was to keep a group of people enslaved based on their skin color. No matter how you spin it, that was the reason. On top of that, they would have broken our Republic if they had won and my prediction is USA would be 30 different countries today that would be all hostile to each other like Europe pre WW2. I also think many USA states would have been taken over by Europeans who would have taken advantage of a broken United States. (I do think Slavery would have ended at some point no matter what happened because it was an inevitable global social movement that wasn't going to be stopped. Not sure in this scenario if there would be Apartheid or Jim Crow or not. I am of the opinion that Jim Crow\segregation was even worse than Slavery because one was an economic reason done in ignorance/tradition while the other was done simply out of hatred).

Ultimately, the Union was the GOOD guys and it is a far better result that they won that war even if it did lead to some problematic overreach by the Federal Government in the long-term.

The worse thing that could have happened to the South in the 1860s was Abraham Lincoln being assassinated. I think Lincoln would have kept greater stability and got us through reconstruction in a better situation.
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I agree. I grew up feeling that “the South will rise again” sentimentality, used to cry at “Dixie.” Then I learned more about the War. Nothing romantic about it. Acute human suffering on a colossal scale and yet even that was worth it to end slavery because slavery was that horrendous.

Reconstruction should be much more widely studied (ie taught in secondary school) than it is. Nearly as important for the trajectory of the South and the country economically, culturally, and ethically as the War itself.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Actually the vast majority of East Tennesseans fought for the Union, so the rest of the South were our enemies. We likely would have seceded from the rest of the state as West Va did, but we were surrounded by the confederacy on almost all sides.

No wonder we don’t get along with the rest of the SEC. 😂
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I don’t know if I’d call it the vast majority. My families from East Tennessee and they fought for the South at least one of them died doing so. My understanding was that East Tennessee desired to be left out of it more than anything
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Yep, the monument to those who died in the War in Blount County has 48 Union veterans’ names and only 5 Confederates, yet Maryville high school’s mascot is the Rebels.
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Truth this was Union territory in East Tn...... If one ever gets a chance to read "History of the Rebellion in Bradley County, East Tennessee” I highly recommend. East Tn was Guerilla warfare territory throughout the war.

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I don’t know if I’d call it the vast majority.
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Your welcome to look at the votes for secession in the above mentioned book in East TN the vast Majority was Union, I got ancestors on both sides....not playing favorites.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I don’t know if I’d call it the vast majority. My families from East Tennessee and they fought for the South at least one of them died doing so. My understanding was that East Tennessee desired to be left out of it more than anything
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According to monuments, Blount County had 53 die fighting in the war. Of those 48 were Union. I’d call that a vast majority. I can’t speak to the ratio in other counties but I can’t imagine it’s drastically different.
 
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The trajectory of this thread is amazing. I’ve learned a lot about East TN’s involvement in the Civil War from this topic. We have a LOT of intelligent folks on volnation and it amazes me the things I learn from a football forum. Proud to be a part of this community. Bama is going down Tomm!!
 
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NomadicTendency said:
The trajectory of this thread is amazing. I’ve learned a lot about East TN’s involvement in the Civil War from this topic. We have a LOT of intelligent folks on volnation and it amazes me the things I learn from a football forum. Proud to be a part of this community. Bama is going down Tomm!!
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Excellent tomorrow we'll be teaching/discussing Bridge burning 101, and how to steal your enemies locomotive.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I don’t know if I’d call it the vast majority. My families from East Tennessee and they fought for the South at least one of them died doing so. My understanding was that East Tennessee desired to be left out of it more than anything
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What I was taught in school was East Tennesseans were more isolationists than anything particularly since they mostly had family farms and not plantations or poor white sharecropping going on (which was in reality the majority of Middle and West Tennesseans)... those in East Tennessee did not actively want to fight against fellow Tennesseans… as the war came to them ie Maryville got captured.. many people changed their minds and families became split.most reluctantly enlisted Union... the rest of Tennessee was just busy defending their homes and land pretty much…our state history is so dang interesting.. I took a class on it at UTK as a matter of fact 😂 .. on another note, we went to the Uncle Nearest distillery near Shelbyville yesterday.. highly recommend
 
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LadyVolette said:
What I was taught in school was East Tennesseans were more isolationists than anything particularly since they mostly had family farms and not plantations or poor white sharecropping going on (which was in reality the majority of Middle and West Tennesseans)... those in East Tennessee did not actively want to fight against fellow Tennesseans… as the war came to them ie Maryville got captured.. many people changed their minds and families became split.most reluctantly enlisted Union... the rest of Tennessee was just busy defending their homes and land pretty much…our state history is so dang interesting.. I took a class on it at UTK as a matter of fact 😂 .. on another note, we went to the Uncle Nearest distillery near Shelbyville yesterday.. highly recommend
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You would be interested to know the term “ bridge burners originated from the area . Several southerners were doing that to prevent rebel advancements . There is a statue actually commemorating that somewhere in Johnson city near the federal grounds. It is not highlighted too much.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I don’t know if I’d call it the vast majority. My families from East Tennessee and they fought for the South at least one of them died doing so. My understanding was that East Tennessee desired to be left out of it more than anything
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It was an astonishingly huge margin to remain in the US in the East Tennessee counties. Some well over 90% pro Union. After TN left the Union, Scott County actually seceded from TN and founded the Independent State of Scott. Reference the by county numbers. Tennessee Secession Referendum, 1861
 
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