I knew I should've switched from AT&T, evil White House prying ... privacy issues

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Definition changing for people's privacy

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 55 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A top intelligence official says it is time people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, a deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people's private communications and financial information.

Kerr's comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act.

Lawmakers hastily changed the 1978 law last summer to allow the government to eavesdrop inside the United States without court permission, so long as one end of the conversation was reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S.

The original law required a court order for any surveillance conducted on U.S. soil, to protect Americans' privacy. The White House argued that the law was obstructing intelligence gathering.

The most contentious issue in the new legislation is whether to shield telecommunications companies from civil lawsuits for allegedly giving the government access to people's private e-mails and phone calls without a court order between 2001 and 2007.

Some lawmakers, including members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, appear reluctant to grant immunity. Suits might be the only way to determine how far the government has burrowed into people's privacy without court permission.

The committee is expected to decide this week whether its version of the bill will protect telecommunications companies.

The central witness in a California lawsuit against AT&T says the government is vacuuming up billions of e-mails and phone calls as they pass through an AT&T switching station in San Francisco.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T technician, helped connect a device in 2003 that he says diverted and copied onto a government supercomputer every call, e-mail, and Internet site access on AT&T lines

This is the kind of thing that goes beyond this administration too. This type of power will continue to be expanded at the expense of our rights regardless of which party is holding the white house. Standing up against this type of thing should not be a partisan battle and criticis should not be dismissed as members of the poliktical fringe to be ignored.

Thoughts?
 
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I'd be more worried if the human on the government end of that device were an efficient worker dedicated to his job. Instead, he or she is most likely a bored, apathetic government union member constricted by reams of bureaucratic red tape.
 
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I'd be more worried if the human on the government end of that device were an efficient worker dedicated to his job. Instead, he or she is most likely a bored, apathetic government union member constricted by reams of bureaucratic red tape.


We need a quote archive!

Awesome!

:hi:
 
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I agree with the need for a new definition.

You can't expect to have all the convenience of email, cellphones, Internets surfing, etc. and believe you will remain annonymous.

Marketers know far more about you than the government does and they actually do something with that knowledge!
 
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I'd be more worried if the human on the government end of that device were an efficient worker dedicated to his job. Instead, he or she is most likely a bored, apathetic government union member constricted by reams of bureaucratic red tape.

If this were true then we are truly screwed. The government employees at the other end are the intelligence analysts using software programs to detect threats to the US. Glad to know this is who W is relying on to gather his intel.
 
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“What he saw,” Bruce Afran, a New Jersey lawyer representing the plaintiffs, told the Times, “was decisive evidence that within two weeks of taking office, the Bush administration was planning a comprehensive effort of spying on Americans’ phone usage.”
The Raw Story | AT&T engineer says Bush Administration sought to implement domestic spying within two weeks of taking office

Simply repulsive and un-American. Bush showing his true colors. :furious3:
 
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don't rest on your laurels just yet, I'm sure Kirby has found a story on an "alternative" news site that can prove Osama is a Verizon customer...:crazy:


well this is just funny

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the lawyer for an AT&T engineer alleges that "within two weeks of taking office, the Bush administration was planning a comprehensive effort of spying on Americans’ phone usage.”

you can "allege" anything you want. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another matter entirely.

The former AT&T employee, who spoke on condition of anonymity to the Times said he took part in several discussions with agency officials about the plan.

another red flag
 
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you can "allege" anything you want. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another matter entirely.

another red flag

so was this

"Two other AT&T employees who worked on the proposal discounted his claims, saying in interviews that the project had simply sought to improve the N.S.A.’s internal communications systems and was never designed to allow the agency access to outside communications."
 
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We will never know unless internal documents are reviewed...

“What he saw,” said Bruce Afran, a New Jersey lawyer representing the plaintiffs along with Carl Mayer, “was decisive evidence that within two weeks of taking office, the Bush administration was planning a comprehensive effort of spying on Americans’ phone usage.”

The facts behind a class-action lawsuit in San Francisco are also shrouded in government secrecy. The case relies on disclosures by a former AT&T employee, Mark Klein, who says he stumbled upon a secret room at an company facility in San Francisco that was reserved for the N.S.A. Company documents he obtained and other former AT&T employees have lent some support to his claim that the facility gave the agency access to a range of domestic and international Internet traffic.

Michael Coe, a company spokesman, said: “AT&T is fully committed to protecting our customers’ privacy. We do not comment on matters of national security.” -- Bigger red flag.

NYTimes this btw, it can be found near the bottom... Wider Spying Fuels Aid Plan for Telecom Industry - New York Times
 
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Kirby, you listen to Alex Jones, and go to infowars.com don't you?

If you want a good laugh go check out these sites.
 

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