I know it was Oregon..... but

[MWAVolfan]

I understand Dooley left us with a bunch of crappy players and its not butch Jones's fault. However, more gutsy, creative play calling might of at least provided a little spark in our otherwise DOA offense. Enough about Oregon, now on to Florida.

After seeing our offense's lack of ability (I am quite positive Florida will play better defense than Oregon) and given that our defense looked pretty much the same as last year in terms of having huge mistakes and blown assignments, I fear the Vols will pull down another "L". I had a little bit of sincere hope when Florida's offense looked so bad against Miami, but our defense makes anybody look like a Heisman candidate.

Only time will tell, but I dislike Derek Dooley more and more with every passing day. I just cant wait for some of CBJ's recruits to begin contributing to the rebuilding process.

Go VOLS!

 

[Jestes311]

You can dial up a play for 52 points?

 

[MWAVolfan]

You can dial up a play for 52 points?

No, but when you go 3 and out 5 times and our defense cant stop blowing assignments and cant tackle and Oregon scores 5 time you may want to try something else to keep the ball away from them. We never would have won the game. But its less about winning and more about doing everything humanly possible to stop them.

 

[volswillrise12]

I'm sorry I missed the part where Oregon's poor defense led to our juggernaut like 14 points. I'd hate to see Florida's "better" defense.

 

[MWAVolfan]

I'm sorry I missed the part where Oregon's poor defense led to our juggernaut like 14 points. I'd hate to see Florida's "better" defense.

Its less about Oregon's defense and more about Worley and no experienced WRs. All Oregon had to do was stop our running game. The rest took care of itself.

 

[volswillrise12]

No, but when you go 3 and out 5 times and our defense cant stop blowing assignments and cant tackle and Oregon scores 5 time you may want to try something else to keep the ball away from them. We never would have won the game. But its less about winning and more about doing everything humanly possible to stop them.

We weren't going to stop them. You could play that game 10 times in whatever venue running whatever offense. We lost to a team with superior talent---expect it to happen a few more times. The fact is you can't coach or scheme with talent you don't have---this team has to overachieve to win and that's the bottom line.

 

[jlindsa4]

I know this is a long shot, but perhaps Butch decided to pull some plays so that we dont give florida anything to work with. I mean, in the grand scheme of things the Oregon game is pointless.

 

[utvolpj]

and given that our defense looked pretty much the same as last year in terms of having huge mistakes and blown assignments,

there's a difference in the way they looked on Sat vs a ridiculously talented offense and the way they looked in 2012 vs a team like Mizzou

 

[TheBigOne10]

I've only seen this thread 374,598,425,037 times.

 

[MWAVolfan]

there's a difference in the way they looked on Sat vs a ridiculously talented offense and the way they looked in 2012 vs a team like Mizzou

Really? Because I thought they looked pretty consistently bad last year, giving up huge plays to Mizzou and Vandy.

 

[Vols4us]

Let's cut the superior talent junk. They have good talent that was recruited for that particular system. They have a great system that the players have totally bought into.

We have good players that have been recruited by 4 different HC's and that have played in 3 different systems. We do not have the roster to run the current system effectively. It remains to be seen if the current system can rise to the level of Oregon. It will take 5-10 years to know the final answer.

Which is why they should play every true or RS freshman player they have as many snaps as possible. If you have some of the others that totally buy in and are willing to do what it takes to get it done they should play as well. But this mismatched roster is the issue.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Let's cut the superior talent junk. They have good talent that was recruited for that particular system. They have a great system that the players have totally bought into.

We have good players that have been recruited by 4 different HC's and that have played in 3 different systems. We do not have the roster to run the current system effectively. It remains to be seen if the current system can rise to the level of Oregon. It will take 5-10 years to know the final answer.

Which is why they should play every true or RS freshman player they have as many snaps as possible. If you have some of the others that totally buy in and are willing to do what it takes to get it done they should play as well. But this mismatched roster is the issue.

This is the most intelligent post yet. CBJ just needs to realize he can only go so far with these players. He needs to go balls to the wall with his offensive scheme and take huge risks that he normally wouldnt with a more talented team.

In short he needs to play like and FCS school playing an FBS school. Just let it all hang out.

At best this is a 7-5 team, so there are no real expectations. So just go out and throw everything on the field every game.

 

[volswillrise12]

Its less about Oregon's defense and more about Worley and no experienced WRs. All Oregon had to do was stop our running game. The rest took care of itself.

Disagree. Sorry no, that's not what it was all about. When the receivers can't get separation from Oregon defensive backs that's defense. Yes, part of it is Worley and the receivers but you aren't giving the opposing team credit. 14 points--technically 7 if you want to count the garbage touchdown is defensive dominance. It may not be an SEC team but if it's Alabama that kicked our *** you'd say something different.

 

[utvolpj]

Really? Because I thought they looked pretty consistently bad last year, giving up huge plays to Mizzou and Vandy.

my point was that trying to compare the 2 defenses based on a bad game against one of the best offenses in the country is a tad ridiculous. Last year they looked bad against any offense the other team put on the field

 

[volswillrise12]

Let's cut the superior talent junk. They have good talent that was recruited for that particular system. They have a great system that the players have totally bought into.

We have good players that have been recruited by 4 different HC's and that have played in 3 different systems. We do not have the roster to run the current system effectively. It remains to be seen if the current system can rise to the level of Oregon. It will take 5-10 years to know the final answer.

Which is why they should play every true or RS freshman player they have as many snaps as possible. If you have some of the others that totally buy in and are willing to do what it takes to get it done they should play as well. But this mismatched roster is the issue.

So is our good talent in the form of the walk-ons we have on the team or the average running backs and DE's?

 

[Majorvol23]

aaaahhhhh... the times when people complained about Bray, Hunter, Patterson, and the most productive offense in school history.

People are blind and naïve if they didn't see this coming

 

[RollerVol]

Its less about Oregon's defense and more about Worley and no experienced WRs. All Oregon had to do was stop our running game. The rest took care of itself.

It doesn't matter about the X's and O's when you don't have the Jimmy's and Joe's.
GO VOLS!

 

[volswillrise12]

All I'm saying is this: some people want to downplay this loss because it's Oregon. If it were Alabama or LSU it would be the same issues. We aren't as talented--maybe good enough to beat on some inferior teams and get 5 or 6 wins but the facts are the facts. This is the same song different verse.

 

[CMcEver]

You can dial up a play for 52 points?

No, but when we're down 14-7 and the runner got a bad spot(still 4th and 1 foot or less), you don't trust your line enough to go for the first down? Or well, after we ran the end rushes, for what seemed, 6 times in a row for pretty much no gain, you'd think we would try to run it up the middle considering our O-line outweighs their DL by a lot.

 

[MWAVolfan]

All I'm saying is this: some people want to downplay this loss because it's Oregon. If it were Alabama or LSU it would be the same issues. We aren't as talented--maybe good enough to beat on some inferior teams and get 5 or 6 wins but the facts are the facts. This is the same song different verse.

My point is that Alabama and Florida will have better defenses than any PAC 10 team. Yes Oregon is heads above Tennessee, but if we had trouble scoring on Oregon we will have even more trouble down the road. 14 points may seem like a dream.

 

[MWAVolfan]

No, but when we're down 14-7 and the runner got a bad spot(still 4th and 1 foot or less), you don't trust your line enough to go for the first down? Or well, after we ran the end rushes, for what seemed, 6 times in a row for pretty much no gain, you'd think we would try to run it up the middle considering our O-line outweighs their DL by a lot.

Nice point. We supposedly have one of the best O-lines in the country and we dont go for a 4th down even once knowing that we need to keep the ball as long as possible and try anything to score points?

 

[MWAVolfan]

aaaahhhhh... the times when people complained about Bray, Hunter, Patterson, and the most productive offense in school history.

People are blind and naïve if they didn't see this coming

I dont think there is a person out there that didnt see this coming.

 

[MWAVolfan]

my point was that trying to compare the 2 defenses based on a bad game against one of the best offenses in the country is a tad ridiculous. Last year they looked bad against any offense the other team put on the field

Sure, but some of what happened against Oregon was not at all due to superior athletes. Tennessee completely blew coverages and totally missed defensive assignments, letting wide receivers for Oregon just run wide open to the point that the game announcers were aghast at how blatant the defensive mistakes were.

that has nothing to do with speed or physical talent and everything to do with what's between the ears.

 

[volsfansince4387]

It's more than that.

1) We are running an up-tempo, spread, read-option scheme with pro-style QB who gets nervous and lacks any level of arm strength.
2) We have RB's who can't hold on to the football, lack ball carrier vision, and can't make a defender miss a tackle or break a tackle. So we run with two guys who are neither true power backs or speed backs.
3) Inexperienced WR's. North is a stud, but they all need time. But when they do get open, we can't even get the football in the same zip code as them.
4) We have a monster o-line who create holes we can't hit and protect for a QB who can't throw.
5) Our defense is just a mesh of s*** right now. No identity. We do not excel in an facet of the game. We forced Oregon to beat us in the air, and they sure as f*** did. But don't get it confused, they could have easily beat us with the run but they took what was given to them.
6) The players don't fit the scheme. It's easy to say, fit the scheme to the personnel, it's another to actually do it.

 

[volswillrise12]

Sure, but some of what happened against Oregon was not at all due to superior athletes. Tennessee completely blew coverages and totally missed defensive assignments, letting wide receivers for Oregon just run wide open to the point that the game announcers were aghast at how blatant the defensive mistakes were.

that has nothing to do with speed or physical talent and everything to do with what's between the ears.

I think we have to agree to disagree. The talent disparity is an issue and it's been an issue in this program for the last 5 years. It's just now starting to hit again because of average to poor recruiting. Perfect play maybe would have made this game a little more competitive but that's all.