I know its early but...

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#2
Let me know when they start handing out a crystal Sears Trophy for recruiting. In the mean time, I will settle for filling our recruiting needs at our most dire positions and hope for a top 25 finish on the field.
 
#3
#3
I don't think it's too early. I think it's quite remarkable we have 13 legit recruits this early (August). Trust the staff.
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#4
#4
tennesseefan31 said:
we have cracked the scout top 25.... just throwing it out there for all the Dooley doubters

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I think it is completely irrelevant at this point, but since you made a new thread to point it out, just cracking the Top 25 with 14 commitments isn't saying much. Most schools rated behind Tennessee are well below that number of commitments at this point. You are always going to be highly rated at this point in time if you have that many commitments. This is why Scout shouldn't even bother posting their recruiting rankings this early. It's completely misleading and irrelevant.
 
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Case of Mondays. Typical. I don't think it's irrelevant at all when you look at our list of players. All quality. So, if Clear and Richardson tomorrow, we'd still be irrelevant because of timing and numbers?
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Tux said:
Let me know when they start handing out a crystal Sears Trophy for recruiting. In the mean time, I will settle for filling our recruiting needs at our most dire positions and hope for a top 25 finish on the field.
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Its worked for Bama and Florida lately.
 
#7
#7
I wouldn't say its completely irrelevant. It silences naysayer's and keeps fans such as my self optimistic that our staff is meeting our expectations as proud Vols.
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LynxVol said:
Case of Mondays. Typical. I don't think it's irrelevant at all when you look at our list of players. All quality. So, if Clear and Richardson tomorrow, we'd still be irrelevant because of timing and numbers?
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I dont think you understood my point.

The ranking right now is completely irrelevant because the number of commits completely skew it.

Tennessee has over 60% of their class in the fold already. Most schools have only 25-35% complete. If all the schools out there had 14 commitments right now Tennessee's ranking would be much lower.

It was just like people ranting on here about Kentucky being rated higher than Tennessee a few weeks ago. Kentucky had a hell of a lot more commitments so of course they are currently going to be rated higher. Some of the same people pumping the current #25 ranking were the same ones a few weeks ago downplaying UK being ahead of Tennessee because of their high number of commits. Can't have it both ways.

Unless you are in the Top 10 at this point, the rest of the rankings are pretty much quantity based and nothing more.
 
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head1 said:
Its worked for Bama and Florida lately.
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2009
Florida- 21
Alabama-2
Tenn-8

2008
Florida-12
Alabama-1
Tenn-35

2007
Florida-1
Alabama-22 (Core of the team that just won the NC)
Tenn-4

Average ranking for the three years is:

Alabama- 8
Florida-11
Tenn- 15
 
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CountVolcula said:
2009
Florida- 21
Alabama-2
Tenn-8

2008
Florida-12
Alabama-1
Tenn-35

2007
Florida-1
Alabama-22 (Core of the team that just won the NC)
Tenn-4

Average ranking for the three years is:

Alabama- 8
Florida-11
Tenn- 15
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Another example of how Scout puts way too much stock in quantity over quality.

Rivals had Florida #11 in 2009 and they only signed 16 players. 8 were National Top 100 guys.

Rivals rankings:

2009:
Alabama - 1
Tennessee - 10
Florida - 11

2008:
Alabama - 1
Florida - 3
Tennessee - 35

2007:
Florida - 1
Tennessee - 3
Alabama - 10

Averages = Alabama #4, Florida #5, Tennessee #16

Over a 3 year average that is a rather sizeable difference. One class wouldn't be that big of a deal, but 3 in a row is sizeable.
 
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LynxVol said:
I don't think it's too early. I think it's quite remarkable we have 13 legit recruits this early (August). Trust the staff.
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Who to you is the scrub? I think we have 12 good to great recruits and 2 marginal ones. Parker, and Power.
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Montrell Hardy said:
I dont think you understood my point.

The ranking right now is completely irrelevant because the number of commits completely skew it. Tennessee has over 60% of their class in the fold already. Most schools have only 25-35% complete. If all the schools out there had 14 commitments right now Tennessee's ranking would be much lower.

It was just like people ranting on here about Kentucky being rated higher than Tennessee a few weeks ago. Kentucky had a hell of a lot more commitments so of course they are currently going to be rated higher. Some of the same people pumping the current #25 ranking were the same ones a few weeks ago downplaying UK being ahead of Tennessee because of their high number of commits. Can't have it both ways.

Unless you are in the Top 10 at this point, the rest of the rankings are pretty much quantity based and nothing more.
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Wow, just wow. Irrelevant? I call it momentum. If we never got into the top 25, how many 4 and 5 star guys do you think will consider us late in the game? Very few. This can only help us land bigger names late in the game. Hardly irrelevant.
 
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You can have it both ways because 1. A few of these recruits get bumped and 2. This class is going to close with some great guys.

Are you wavering on your prediction that "we are not in good position?"
 
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tvols75 said:
You can have it both ways because 1. A few of these recruits get bumped and 2. This class is going to close with some great guys.

Are you wavering on your prediction that "we are not in good position?"
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1. How do you know only Tennessee recruits will get bumped? Couldn't some Kentucky recruits get bumped?

2. How do you know they will close with great guys? Who are they? How do you know Kentucky wont close with great guys?

At this point in time, this is all pure speculation on your part.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
How can you argue that the rankings are not quantity based at this point?

This is exactly why Rivals has said for years that they dont put out their team rankings until later in the year.
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Not arguing they are somewhat based on quantity, arguing that its irrelevant.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Another example of how Scout puts way too much stock in quantity over quality.

Rivals had Florida #11 in 2009 and they only signed 16 players. 8 were National Top 100 guys.

Rivals rankings:

2009:
Alabama - 1
Tennessee - 10
Florida - 11

2008:
Alabama - 1
Florida - 3
Tennessee - 35

2007:
Florida - 1
Tennessee - 3
Alabama - 10

Averages = Alabama #4, Florida #5, Tennessee #16

Over a 3 year average that is a rather sizeable difference. One class wouldn't be that big of a deal, but 3 in a row is sizeable.
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Yeah, but how many are on our team and still contributing compared to theirs? That is the HUGE difference!!!
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
I dont think you understood my point.

The ranking right now is completely irrelevant because the number of commits completely skew it.

Tennessee has over 60% of their class in the fold already. Most schools have only 25-35% complete. If all the schools out there had 14 commitments right now Tennessee's ranking would be much lower.

It was just like people ranting on here about Kentucky being rated higher than Tennessee a few weeks ago. Kentucky had a hell of a lot more commitments so of course they are currently going to be rated higher. Some of the same people pumping the current #25 ranking were the same ones a few weeks ago downplaying UK being ahead of Tennessee because of their high number of commits. Can't have it both ways.

Unless you are in the Top 10 at this point, the rest of the rankings are pretty much quantity based and nothing more.
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Montrell, I think, while i agree with you that part of our status right now stems from #'s, part of Lynx's implied point was that a) we're moving up!, & b) we're supposed to be a "down program," "gloom & doom," yet we have the #'s, we have 14 recruits, most of which ppl are excited about & look pretty solid.

We're similar in absolute # of recruits to UF & Bama, & we know where they stand on the national scene.

Positive things afoot. Maybe Martin's commit will be a momentum changer. More 4*'s should come in as the season goes on. Some 3* will get bumped up.

I think that is kind of his, & all the others on the thread that are psyched.
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Montrell Hardy said:
1. How do you know only Tennessee recruits will get bumped? Couldn't some Kentucky recruits get bumped?

2. How do you know they will close with great guys? Who are they? How do you know Kentucky wont close with great guys?

At this point in time, this is all pure speculation on your part.
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But it wasn't speculation that "we weren't in good position with many top recruits?"

I always posted lists when you said this in other threads but you never responded to it with all the guys who have "offer sheets" and who are "4 stars"

And I know because Saulsberry has yet to be evaluated on Rivals, Juda Parker is going to get a bump according to Rivals, and others should based on offer sheets and just pure averages over the past year.
 
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MH, I think that what they're saying is quit pissing on their parade.

FTR, I agree with both parties here. I don't take quite the pessimistic view that he does, but MH is right when he says that the rankings are irrelevant, now. However, tvols75 is right in that it puts us in great position for NSD '11. MH, you can't say for a second that if we were sitting on 2 commits, not 12 (right, 12?) you wouldn't be concerned.

I'm no recruiting guru but I stay pretty up-to-date, and from all I have read we're in very good shape with several highly recruited and highly rated prospects. I don't think CDD and co. are placing an emphasis on 3 star nobodies that are "easy gets," I think they're placing an emphasis on prospects they believe can play SEC football at a high level and to hell with scouting service ratings--something that nearly every member of this staff has said several times.

Jhop (I think it was Jhop--might have been "X") mentioned one thing that everyone should take into account with the players that have commited--(paraphrasing) one thing everyone should realize is, if this staff takes a player's commitment now it's because they are pursuing him, not just b/c he's a commitment.
 
#25
#25
I love the public hangings that people receive on this board for sharing information.

I appreciate the post. Good to see the overall momentum over the past few weeks. Keep it up!
 
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