I LOVE how 17 points

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JVol76 said:
A well coached team doesn't lose a 17 point lead at home in front of the loudest crowd in the history of that stadium.
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And it sure as hell doesn't lose when you have a 17 PT lead with 8 minutes left IN THE GAME.
 
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ReaderVol said:
At CMU from 8-3 to 11-2 and Cincy for 4-8 to. 9-3.

My bad on OB
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Different conference, different level of competition, never finished in top 20, is 1 and 16 against ranked teams, etc... You've seen the stats.

I guess we have different expectations and ideas on what the next level means.
 
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J.Quest said:
Different conference, different level of competition, never finished in top 20, is 1 and 16 against ranked teams, etc... You've seen the stats.

I guess we have different expectations and ideas on what the next level means.
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How many coaches start at the SEC level? How many lose at lower level then go on to win at higher level? We had a guy who couldn't win at lower level and he was a disaster. Give me a coach who wins no matter where. And as far as losing to ranked teams, hell who could've won against those ranked teams with what he inherited from Dooley?
 
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The issue is the coaching decisions once we were up by 17 points. They shut down the offense which put way too much pressure on the defense. Also, we had zero response when OK made defensive adjustments. The "in game" offensive coaching the last 2.5 quarters was as bad as I have seen in my 68 years of watching football. With today's high-powered offenses, a coach who sits on a lead will lose most of the time. If Butch doesn't understand that, he will never be successful in big time football.
 
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99gator said:
It's been beaten to death, but it's pretty simple.

It was more than the 17 point lead. Tennessee was doing everything they wanted offensively, defensively, on special teams. The crowd was going nuts.

Oklahoma QB couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Etc, etc, etc.

And it wasn't a situation where Tennessee made a huge mistake that swung momentum in a big way. Or that Oklahoma caught fire.

It was a slow, painful progression toward the final outcome.

They didn't have to do anything special. They just had to do something. 3 quarters, they did nothing. One drive leading to a missed field goal.
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You nailed it. 17 points in this game was a BIG lead.
 
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ReaderVol said:
None of your posts have read anything like this one.
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Every one of them has said the same damn thing. You've just chosen to read other ish into them, so that's why I added the other comments...your assumptions are on you brother. I just stated facts. And for you to invoke General Neyland's in this conversation??? Lol. That being said, since you're hellbent on reading other things into my posts which I haven't said, here's something else for you, another fact .....Butch is the 23rd headcoach in Tennessee history, and he is one of only 7 coaches with a losing record. He's currently ranked 18th all-time in winning percentage, just ahead of WH Britton and Derek Dooley. There you go, let your imagination run wild....again.
 
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ESPN tweeted a stat Saturday night....going into the 4th quarter with a 17-3 lead, Tennessee had a 97% chance of winning......NINETY....FREAKING...SEVEN. And we lost.
 
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KBVol said:
ESPN tweeted a stat Saturday night....going into the 4th quarter with a 17-3 lead, Tennessee had a 97% chance of winning......NINETY....FREAKING...SEVEN. And we lost.
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Exactly. It's really unbelievable when you recover from the shock and really digest it. This one will never go away. Unforgivable; really.
 
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Zoepfore said:
The issue is the coaching decisions once we were up by 17 points. They shut down the offense which put way too much pressure on the defense. Also, we had zero response when OK made defensive adjustments. The "in game" offensive coaching the last 2.5 quarters was as bad as I have seen in my 68 years of watching football. With today's high-powered offenses, a coach who sits on a lead will lose most of the time. If Butch doesn't understand that, he will never be successful in big time football.
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This is my point. It's what brought Fulmer down and will be Butch's undoing as well if changes in philosophy aren't made. He will get uT back to basically where Fulmer left off. He recruits well and gets teams back to 3 or 4 losses each year and then maybe he moves on when things heat up...who knows we'll see, but his current record doesn't point to national stardom.
 
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J.Quest said:
What point is that exactly? That "he wins everywhere he goes"? what exactly has he won? What great teams has he beaten? What ranked teams? Mediocrity, nothing more.
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You're right. I mean there are TONS of coaches who beat ranked teams while at Central Michigan. And Cincy is a national power too.
And you're really spot on with his record at UT. I mean with all the super talent he inherited from Dooley he should have won all of them. I sure wish I was as smart as you.
 
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played to not to loose after we got them down by 17.it seems to me the offense went to the locker room after the first quarter.
I would like to have a coach who wanted to see how many points his team could score in a game.foot on the gas and not let off till final horn.But that's just me.What say you Vol nation?:cray:
 
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99gator said:
It's been beaten to death, but it's pretty simple.

It was more than the 17 point lead. Tennessee was doing everything they wanted offensively, defensively, on special teams. The crowd was going nuts.

Oklahoma QB couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Etc, etc, etc.

And it wasn't a situation where Tennessee made a huge mistake that swung momentum in a big way. Or that Oklahoma caught fire.

It was a slow, painful progression toward the final outcome.

They didn't have to do anything special. They just had to do something. 3 quarters, they did nothing. One drive leading to a missed field goal.
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Agreed, it was a death by a thousand small cuts. A lot of untimely penalties on offense and defense, and a defense that kept losing key players.
 
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Volsfan895 said:
It was the largest blown lead at Neyland for us. No we weren't up fifty, but it sucks to blow a big lead so get off the high horse.
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I was wondering about that. I can't remember the last time we blew a 3 score lead. I was there Saturday and it really sucked. I couldn't believe it...........
 
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volgrad500 said:
I think it has more to do that we were shut out for nearly 3 full quarters after scoring that 17 points.
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Its scary and depressing to think that if we could have just managed a F'ing field goal in 3 entire quarters we would have won the damn game despite everything else.... that's what kills me. :blink:
 
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KBVol said:
Butch evidently thought it was based on how he coached his team from that point on. Most of us watching were very concerned that 17 points would not be enough and were wondering what was going on.
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Fair statement...up 17-0 on our next drive the offense came out and seemed to lack the intensity they had earlier in the game.

This is something the coaches and players have to get better at.

The only solace I will give them is that Tennessee is just not used to being up big in big games.

We all need to hope that (a) we have more opportunities to improve that in the future and that (b) we do!!!

:salute:
 
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KBVol said:
What?? Jesus dude, just stop. The fact is that no Tennessee team, in 124 years of football, ever lost as badly as Jones did in 2013 vs Oregon...ever, since 1891. And now, no Tennessee team, in 124 years of football, has ever blown a 17 point lead in Neyland Stadium...ever, since 1891. And now one coach owns both those records...Lyle Allen "Butch" Jones. You can speculate all you want, make any excuse that you want, but dems be the facts.
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I didn't know his name was Lyle. Dang.
 
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