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rbroyles

rbroyles

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There was a time midway through the season it seemed it was going to take forever to come to a close, but now that it is over, I am already getting those first faint pangs of withdrawal symptoms.

Let me say right away it was fun to be in both contests and to do them as well. I am disappointed there wasn't more participation in the Letterman Chase. Perhaps the pic will encourage more to enter

Volfanbill receives gift certificate for winning the Tennessee Letterman Chase Contest. He is on the right.

IMG_0169_2.JPG The Letterman/Hound Dogs in Johnson City is having a 50% off your second purchase sale right now. Please take advantage of it.


My main concern with the Letterman Chase Contest was the scoring system, in particular the number of zeros. I would appreciate any and all ideas/suggestions you have. I know there are some bright minds on here, so instead of dueling with BigPappa or hat, put some thought toward this.

Feel free to PM me if you prefer, but I think posting ideas allows others to expound/expand on them. I would request using restraint when an idea seems ah...... well let's just say less than bright in your opinion. To make a constructive discussion free and ongoing, it needs to be free from personal criticism.

Do not limit yourself to just the scoring or participation level, nor to the Chase contest. Ideas for the Top 5 Pick 'Em are also welcome.
 
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also there is to be no discussion about how ugly the guy on the right is compared to the guy on the left.

It was my honor to finally meet you broyles and while i would like to see some better scoring opportunities, off the top of my head I really don't have any ideas.
 
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The Pick'em is great.There are a lot of resources such as qualifying, speed charts,and past race results to take into consideration when picking.Maybe $50 to the winner of the Pick'em/$50 to the Letterman winner.Oh... and retroactive to this years winner,haha.
The first and second phases of the Letterman,also great.Predicting who will make the chase and then picking how they will finish in the chase.
The one thing I would like to change is the Letterman week to week.
I think you could put some thought into the winner,but past that,I did not no what else to do put randomly fill out the rest of the 11.Nothing wrong with that except it wasn't very fun;more just going through the motions of putting something down.
I don't really have a great idea to replace it. For now,the best I can think of is we would use our phase 2 picking order all through the chase.Say you have Kenseth finishing the chase in 5th place.If after any week through the chase he is 5th in the chase,you get a certain amount of points.Trouble is once you get deeper in the chase,there is less movement in posistions among drivers from week to week,so not the best idea I'm thinking.
 
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You could give sympathy points to us that got 0 points each week (kinda like a bonus)! Just kidding. Thanks Mr. Broyles, you done a fine job!
 
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I think a good idea is to waive the worst 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever pre determined amount) off each participant's score. That way if a person misses a week because they forget to enter their drivers or they start late they still have a chance. That would increase the participation because many people just quit altogether if they miss a week. I guess the flaw with that idea is it might be impossible to keep up with everyone's score from week to week to even know when their 3 worst weeks were. Maybe if the weekly scores were charted than it might work. It would also reward the people that don't forget to make their picks because they would have more weeks to choose from when dropping their worst scores.
 
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615 Vol said:
I think a good idea is to waive the worst 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever pre determined amount) off each participant's score. That way if a person misses a week because they forget to enter their drivers or they start late they still have a chance. That would increase the participation because many people just quit altogether if they miss a week. I guess the flaw with that idea is it might be impossible to keep up with everyone's score from week to week to even know when their 3 worst weeks were. Maybe if the weekly scores were charted than it might work. It would also reward the people that don't forget to make their picks because they would have more weeks to choose from when dropping their worst scores.
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I think this idea has much merit, specially for the Pick 'Em since it is so long. You are correct in that many did drop out when they either missed a week or had a very low score. I did keep a week by week record so it would be simple to do. Thank you 615! Come on you guys and gals that were regulars, you have ideas I know.
 
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rbroyles said:
I think this idea has much merit, specially for the Pick 'Em since it is so long. You are correct in that many did drop out when they either missed a week or had a very low score. I did keep a week by week record so it would be simple to do. Thank you 615! Come on you guys and gals that were regulars, you have ideas I know.
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Thanks, I am playing an NFL pick'em game right now and it is like that. The only bad thing is that we really don't know who is in the lead because the worst weeks won't be dropped until the season is over.
 
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615 Vol said:
Thanks, I am playing an NFL pick'em game right now and it is like that. The only bad thing is that we really don't know who is in the lead because the worst weeks won't be dropped until the season is over.
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I don't see why there cannot be a "projected" standings with the lower scores dropped. Freak's contests all have projected standings. Probably wouldn't start showing them until several weeks into the season. I am leaning toward no more than two "mulligans".
 
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i think NASCAR should shorten the season, therefore less people who lose interest in our game because 1. there'd be less races to remember 2. we wouldn't be playing from February to November.
 
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Congrats, Volfanbill!!!! R.Broyles,you do an excellent job with the Lettermen Chase game and the board overall. I guess I should have played this season but I've had a lot on my mind,some personal issues. I might play next season.
 
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volfaninnc said:
Congrats, Volfanbill!!!! R.Broyles,you do an excellent job with the Lettermen Chase game and the board overall. I guess I should have played this season but I've had a lot on my mind,some personal issues. I might play next season.
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Thanks, you made some great picks when you did enter so do try to make it. I hope to have a prize or two for the Pick 'Em next year. Working on a really neat one that will get you excited.
 
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RB, I am still thinking about the rule changes. I like the way pickem is done. I agree the idea of a mulligan or two would keep some people from losing interest if they happen to miss a week. Maybe to expand on that idea, put a deadline or time limit on when they have to take the 1st or 2nd Mulligan. I would think that would make it more interesting than just waiting to the end of the season and taking the lowest 2 scores. This would give you more work to do, no doubt. The Chase contest still needs work IMO. Maybe to simplify it, How about keeping phase 1 and 3 the same. Phase 1 Pick the order and 12 drivers who make the chase by said date. Phase 3, Pick the order of 12 drivers to finish the chase by said date. Phase 2 weekly is Where I would think there should be changes. How about pick top 5 chase drivers (how you think they finish by points) and possibly Winner and score it similar to the pickem. This would eliminate all the Goose Eggs and Maybe keep some interest in this contest to the last race. JMO

Also, I have found 3 things now I wish to donate towards next years contest to make it more exciting. I challenge Everyone who particiates regularly in the contest to donate a Weekly Prize (Nascar related of course) to the contest for Rbroyles to announce.
 
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I played off and on during the year. I started out in the Chase contest but missed a couple of weeks because I would forget to post my picks so decided to just sit it out after that.

As far as the way the contests work it seems to be pretty solid to me. Maybe for the weekly pick em's how about picking the bottom 3 too? Everyone always has the contests to pick the top 5 or top 10 but how about including who you think will finish in the bottom 3 during the race. If you get 1 of 3 you get so many bonus points, 2 of 3 you get more, all 3 you get max bonus points (whatever you'd want to set it at). That way its just another way to score.

And on top of that for even more bonus points you could every week dictate a position to predict. Say, at Daytona, you say the weekly wild card is to pick who you think will finish 19th in the race. Everyone makes their pick and the person(s) correctly predicting that car gets bonus points. If no one gets it then those bonus points roll over to the next week. It could be like the old pole award in NASCAR. Remember the pole winner would be eligible for the bonus money if he also won the race. If the pole winner did not win it would automatically roll over to the next race. Kyle Petty in 89 or 90 won a pretty astronomical amount of money at Rockingham for taking the pole and then winning the race. This could be like that in a way and it would honestly be fairly hard to hit so you could have big bonus points up for grabs every once in awhile.

Just a couple of thoughts - I'll try to play more next year for sure!
 
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DownNDirty said:
Just a couple of thoughts - I'll try to play more next year for sure!
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Thanks for the suggestions, I think something like picking 19th place may be worth considering. The bottom 3 I'm a little unsure of, be more work for me! jk.
 
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lll Adidas said:
Also, I have found 3 things now I wish to donate towards next years contest to make it more exciting. I challenge Everyone who particiates regularly in the contest to donate a Weekly Prize (Nascar related of course) to the contest for Rbroyles to announce.
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First of all that's wonderful you are willing to donate prizes, I'm looking forward to our announcement. I think anything related to the Vols would be good too. I hope to have an announcement soon of a sponsor/prizes.

I like your idea regarding the Chase with the top 5. I will work on it and make some proposals to see what you all think.
 
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Actually just looked it up since I was wondering - don't want to get this too off topic or anything but I found it pretty interesting. Derrike Cope won the 90 Daytona 500 and won $188,150. Kyle Petty won the Rockingham race a couple of weeks later and won $284,450. I knew it was alot but that's crazy that he won that much $$ in a single race back then that wasn't a Winston Million or Daytona 500 - that pole award had to carry over for a long time to rack up to that kind of money.
 
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First of all, thanks rbroyles for keeping up with the contests.

I agree with dropping at least one score in the Pickem contest, but no more than two.

The Lettermans Chase was fun, I know it could be improved, I just don't have any ideas how to make it better.
 
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This was the first computer game ala VN that I've ever played. I'm sure you Guru's have more and better ideas. I really payed more attention and enjoyed NASCAR more this year than any other. RB, what a job. I actually liked beating TD every here and there. It was a blast, thanks to all that played and made it so enjoyable. I'll be at the top one of these days. Ready for next year. Yea! RSF
 
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MillsfieldVOL said:
This was the first computer game ala VN that I've ever played. I'm sure you Guru's have more and better ideas. I really payed more attention and enjoyed NASCAR more this year than any other. RB, what a job. I actually liked beating TD every here and there. It was a blast, thanks to all that played and made it so enjoyable. I'll be at the top one of these days. Ready for next year. Yea! RSF
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If I hadn't of run out of gas with 10 races to go , I would've kicked your butt . lol


It's been fun playing with you guys this year , hopefully i'll be around for next year. GREAT JOB R.B.
 
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TIGER DEN said:
If I hadn't of run out of gas with 10 races to go , I would've kicked your butt . lol


It's been fun playing with you guys this year , hopefully i'll be around for next year. GREAT JOB R.B.
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You better be around, you're one I can beat:)
 
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I appreciate you doing most of the work on the pick'ems. It's rough when you're trying to work 3-5 boards doing this. It was less than 20 people when I was doing this and now look how much it's picked up.
I think we should still do the pole winner (20 points) plus 25 for the race winner and additional points for getting 3 of 5 in the top 5 or top 10. It's hard to get 3 drivers in the top 5 but it has been done. I've had 4 and that was luck. Still do the 15 points for 3 in the top 5. If we get 4 or all 5 then it's 10 points each. So if we get 4 in the top 5 we'd get 40 points, not anything for the 4th driver.
I liked the Letterman deal.
I have an idea and I had proposed it on another board. In lieu of missing out on some of the races, we could post before the season begins our top 5 driver's, race winner and pole winner. Each individual was allowed not more than 1/3 of the season to use them or 10 races. I preferred the 10 races. That way everyone had a chance for points in case you forgot to post. Just a suggestion.
 
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TennFan said:
In lieu of missing out on some of the races, we could post before the season begins our top 5 driver's, race winner and pole winner. Each individual was allowed not more than 1/3 of the season to use them or 10 races. I preferred the 10 races. That way everyone had a chance for points in case you forgot to post.
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Post 5 Mulligan drivers before the season for just in case you forget to post. I think that is an excellent idea. Maybe not as many dropout at that point when they forget a race.
 
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