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hatvol96

hatvol96

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some more people to try and tell me that Bruce Pearl can carry Bill Self's bags as a coach. You're seeing the beginning of the end. Pearl will be done within 2 years.
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You can tell all that by 1/2 a basketball season with a team made up of mostly underclassmen and no seniors that play??? Laughable post!

It's insane to see some of the fair weather fans for this UT basketball team. WE ARE YOUNG! It's gonna take some time for these young guys to play well together, maybe even longer than this a season so sit back and relax.

FIRE BRUCE PEARL!! :lolabove:

Go Vols
 
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Hat, Memphis still has some empty seats, I'm sure there is one of them open for you to critique Calipari.

You're comparing Bruce Pearl to Bill Self? The guy's been at a major college for less than 5 years.
 
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Hat knows more basketball than I even care to know, but I just don't see how Pearl is gone in two years. Isn't this team extremely young, and he's working the recruiting trail pretty nicely it seems.
 
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I think Hat is right, although we couldn't have different reasons for feeling the way we do.

Pearl's style is great for small schools and things that need a turn around. His style lacks the ability to become an elite program and contend for Final Fours. The lack of defensive discipline and the inability to establish a good half court offense will be his demise.

However, his character and the fact that Tennessee was so bad for so long, might buy him closer to four-five years.
 
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I don't know of many that said Pearl was superior to Bill Self in coaching on this board. Maybe I haven't been reading enough threads. I don't think Pearl is gone in 2 years though. Three consecutive NCAA berths, two Sweet 16's, and a school record for wins in his first three years might buy him a little time. Also, a 9-3 team that has one bad loss (Temple) and is very young, losing 3 of their top 4 guards from last year probably won't get the guy canned either. Hat, I understand your obvious disdain for Pearl, but why don't we at least see how this season shakes out before announcing his demise at UT.
 
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I can't disagree with Hat. We fall apart,play without confidence, look lost especially under the boards. I know some on here hate womens basketball and Coach Summitt but she lost all but one good player from last 2 years n/c team. She is currently ranked # 8, was losing to Rutgers there 16-0 and by 20 at half and came back and won the game. The boys get behind they pack it in.PERIOD.We didn't lose anybody lke the girls lost and we struggle to stay in top 25.That's a fact.
 
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utfantilidie said:
I can't disagree with Hat. We fall apart,play without confidence, look lost especially under the boards. I know some on here hate womens basketball and Coach Summitt but she lost all but one good player from last 2 years n/c team. She is currently ranked # 8, was losing to Rutgers there 16-0 and by 20 at half and came back and won the game. The boys get behind they pack it in.PERIOD.We didn't lose anybody lke the girls lost and we struggle to stay in top 25.That's a fact.
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Comparing the men to the women is just plain retarded.

Anyone agreeing with you in a debate on anything should just concede defeat.
 
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ranradVOL said:
Comparing the men to the women is just plain retarded.

Anyone agreeing with you in a debate on anything should just concede defeat.
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People have been calling me an idiot for the past two years, but there are clearly issues and comparing him with the top tier guys is like the comparison you're belittling here.
 
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Maybe its just me, but what I dont understand is thats these guys Pearl recruites are supposed to be high talented ballers coming in.Hell some talked like Hopson was going to be the second coming. Now dont get me wrong Im not trying to call out any one player. Im referencing the whole team, but when you put em on the floor they just look lost! they cant play defence,they have almost no perimiter shooting. For the most part they just look like there out of control.Mybe its because they are young I dont know, but it just frustrates me to watch them play,and think that they have more talent than what they show.
 
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I'm not going to add any fuel to that fire. Bruce probably isn't bill self's equal as a coach. Still it was the defending national champs, in their house, with a 31 game home win streak. I saw that coming a long time ago.

Its disappointing, but we're not ever going too get to that elite status in basketball anyway. Tennessee is a football school and i'm fine with that. I'd settle for making it past the sweet sixteen at some point.
 
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Wow...this thread is kinda funny. Not that Hat thinks he will be gone in a couple of years, but the fact that this is exactly what I was telling friends at work. Here is the story:

The last few seasons I have been a CPF supporter when nearly all my co-workers said he needed to be fired. My argument was, who are you going to get to replace Fulmer...that said, I agree a change needed to be made when it was and I am totally behind Kiffin. Everyone would tell me we needed to get a football coach like Pearl. My argument to that was, give Pearl a few years of the same thing over and over...then the fan base will want him gone. It is funny of how that is starting to happen....even if it is a minority, as of now.

The expectations at UT are super high...in football and men's basketball. I enjoy following the bball program and, of course, I love UT football. I just think it is funny to see where there is not much room for error with the fan base.

I think Pearl has more than a couple of years...but I also think that the same results year after year will not sit well on The Hill
 
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I seem to recall a time around 2 years ago when most people had seemed to have given up on the Vols. Granted, I don't think this team has as nearly as much potential as that one, I'm not ready to call it quits.

As for Pearl. I've always thought his style prevents a team from making it past a Sweet 16, but there's 2 factors. If he can pull in the best recruits for his system and if he can expand and tweak the offense, then, he can possibly lead a team on a championship run every now and then.
 
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We don't have a dominant big man in the middle. Let us get a couple of bigger bodies down low and we will be fine. Pearl may leave, but it won't be because we suck.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We don't have a dominant big man in the middle. Let us get a couple of bigger bodies down low and we will be fine. Pearl may leave, but it won't be because we suck.
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There's not many Amare Stoudamare's running around. I see what you're saying, but it's a lot harder to build a team with Pearl's style.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
There's not many Amare Stoudamare's running around. I see what you're saying, but it's a lot harder to build a team with Pearl's style.
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Kenny Hall will help this team when he gets here next season. This team has no senior leadership either and no true shooters. We will be fine, but it's going to take the rigors of the SEC schedule to bring this team together somewhat. We will lost around 6-8 games this season, which isn't awful.
 
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hatvol96 said:
some more people to try and tell me that Bruce Pearl can carry Bill Self's bags as a coach. You're seeing the beginning of the end. Pearl will be done within 2 years.
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I'm not so sure about gone in two years but I do agree with your opinion of Pearl as a coach and of his "style of play".

All you hear people talk about is the Dr. Tom Davis coaching tree and what a great system he had. T. Davis didn't win crap during his 13+ years at Iowa. I remember him beating up the little sisters on his schedule and failing miserably when facing teams of equal athleticism.

The same thing is happening here at UT. The full court pressure works against the La. Lafayettes of the world but every time we go up against a well coached, diciplined, team of equal athleticism, we get it handed to us, usually getting beat at our own game.

His style puts butts in the seats, which is what UT needed, but so do the Harlem Globetrotters. His teams lack self-discipline. I doubt that his team ever advances to a final four or beyond. When you get that far in to the tournament, your opponents will be more disciplined, equally athletic, and better coached.

I am the first to speak up when people want to compare women's and men's basketball and say its apples and oranges, but the progress Pat has made with her young team compared to Bruces is night and day. The difference is DISCIPLINE.

It doesn't create a conditioning advantage going 10 deep in your rotation if you just stand around on offense, in the half-court, and pass the ball around the perimeter. You have got to make your opponent work on their defensive end and we allow them to rest and stand around with us.

Most importantly, you have to work your butt off on your defensive end and play Team Defense. UT will be competetive in the SEC, but I don't see it ever making a final four.
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
I'm not so sure about gone in two years but I do agree with your opinion of Pearl as a coach and of his "style of play".

All you hear people talk about is the Dr. Tom Davis coaching tree and what a great system he had. T. Davis didn't win crap during his 13+ years at Iowa. I remember him beating up the little sisters on his schedule and failing miserably when facing teams of equal athleticism.

The same thing is happening here at UT. The full court pressure works against the La. Lafayettes of the world but every time we go up against a well coached, diciplined, team of equal athleticism, we get it handed to us, usually getting beat at our own game.

His style puts butts in the seats, which is what UT needed, but so do the Harlem Globetrotters. His teams lack self-discipline. I doubt that his team ever advances to a final four or beyond. When you get that far in to the tournament, your opponents will be more disciplined, equally athletic, and better coached.

I am the first to speak up when people want to compare women's and men's basketball and say its apples and oranges, but the progress Pat has made with her young team compared to Bruces is night and day. The difference is DISCIPLINE.

It doesn't create a conditioning advantage going 10 deep in your rotation if you just stand around on offense, in the half-court, and pass the ball around the perimeter. You have got to make your opponent work on their defensive end and we allow them to rest and stand around with us.

Most importantly, you have to work your butt off on your defensive end and play Team Defense. UT will be competetive in the SEC, but I don't see it ever making a final four.
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We were deeper and fresher than Kansas yesterday in the last 10 minutes of the game. The fact we couldn't hit a three and play with consistency early in the game is what caused our demise.
 
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Tennessee needs a big man desperately. The only problem is Bruce has yet to prove he can establish an effective half court offense. The needed big man will likely be useless if Pearl can't get them better in a half court set.
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volfanbill said:
Tennessee needs a big man desperately. The only problem is Bruce has yet to prove he can establish an effective half court offense. The needed big man will likely be useless if Pearl can't get them better in a half court set.
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Just the fact that Bruce has succeeded without a true big man to this point is something I applaud him for. Pearl can run an effective half court game, he just needs someone other than a Williams/Chism to run it.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We were deeper and fresher than Kansas yesterday in the last 10 minutes of the game. The fact we couldn't hit a three and play with consistency early in the game is what caused our demise.
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We live and die by the three. His offense is nothing without the threes. Your last sentence equates to discipline
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
We live and die by the three. His offense is nothing without the threes. Your last sentence equates to discipline
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Not it doesn't. It equates to the fact we don't have a pure shooter like a JuJuan Smith or Chris Lofton on the team. We need someone to step up and be consistent other than Tyler or Wayne. From the way the game went yesterday it seems as Maze could emerge as that player as the season goes on.
 
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Also compared to the OOC games UT had scheduled, the "rigors of the SEC" should be a welcome break for UT.
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