I will say this for Cain (new CNN poll)

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lawgator1 said:
I think he has done a lot to break down racial barriers in some of the more conservative bastions of the GOP.

Most recent poll has he and Romney leading at 25 and 26 percent, respectively. And, some 39 % of the TP support Cain. If you go with the more mainstream folks, the number reverses in favor of Romney.

CNN Poll: Two-thirds of Republicans say minds are not made up – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Also, only one third of the GOP say they have made up their minds. This suggests that, even though Perry is currently a distant third, he could turn things around. I don't think he will, but its certainly not over.

Very interesting stuff here. If Romney wins the nomination, which I still think is likely, what odds would you give for something like a Cain-Paul third party ticket sponsored by the TP? Would they be disillusioned enough if Romney is the nominee to go to that option?
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Like what? He's still black. He's not gonna win or lose based off that. Sounds like the only people that have an issue with it are those that are not gonna vote for him anyway.
 
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sjt18 said:
]Do you have any idea how deeply offensive it is for you to continually assume the motives and "real" feelings of others when you are absolutely and completely wrong?[/B]It might help you to actually listen to conservatives rather than trying to tell them what they believe and feel.

Those "old prejudices" are largely dead among conservatives. They only find life on the left. It is YOU that fans the flames of racism.

I agree with Cain but frankly I like him better than the others too. I in fact share more in common with him than any of the others. I am nowhere near as successful as he is but did rise to a respectable level after having come from an equally humble background.
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You do the same exact thing with liberals. I've seen too many posts of yours that contain phrases like "liberals think this", "liberals believe this" and "liberals do this" and generally you are just as wrong on your assumptions as LG is in his assumptions.
 
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sjt18 said:
You have believed this in spite of the FACTS for a long time. The left, MSM, and establishment civil rights organizations have spent literally millions trying to find some evidence of racism within the TP... they've failed.

When are you going to finally wake up to the fact that the Tea Party is LESS RACIST than the population at large and liberals specifically?There was a day when blacks were thought incapable of playing QB in the NFL... they weren't smart enough. They weren't smart enough to be OL's either.

Which side continues to believe non-sense like that? Which side thinks blacks need special treatment to succeed? Hint: it isn't conservatives or TP.
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YOu have any data to back up this absurd claim? Or is it your belief based on what you feel?
 
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2ironVol said:
YOu have any data to back up this absurd claim? Or is it your belief based on what you feel?
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No. It is logic and evidence. If you believe someone is equal to you then you should support them having the exact same freedoms and responsibilities that you have.

Liberals are racists because at the core of their beliefs on race is the premise that blacks are somehow not good enough to make it on a level playing field. Conservatives reject that premise completely believing that blacks can succeed and should have the same freedom/rights/responsibilities to do so.

This country rightly fought to assure that freedoms were secured for all races. There were unjust laws that allowed people or gov't to restrict freedom based on nothing but race.

But freedom is likewise undermined when you make someone a dependent. If you offer to be responsible for the consequences of someone's "free" choice... then once they become dependent... that choice is no longer free.

How has this worked out for the black community. Currently almost 90% believe that they have to vote for big gov't Dems or else life will go badly for them. They believe they must have gov't help or else they cannot succeed in life. Many even believe that opposition to those "crutches" amounts to hatred of them as people.

Since buying this bill of goods about 50 years ago and giving big gov't Dems almost total support... how have things changed in the black community? Black men are now more likely to go to jail than college. The black family has virtually disintegrated in part because married women were and are eligible for less gov't aid than single women with kids. Housing projects that were supposed to help people up have become crime ridden traps. In large measure due to a disproportionate dependence on gov't programs AND irresponsible behavior subsidized by gov't... black illegitimacy rose from 35% (which Moynihan rightly called a catastrophe that the nation could not bear) to around 70%.

Blacks who have done well... would have done well with just a guarantee of equal treatment. Some of those who have "failed" were fully capable of success.

Comparatively, things have NOT gotten better since selling their soul to Dems for the black community as a whole.
 
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hey lawvol, it's you libs who are the racist, you guys owned slaves, voted against the civil right act. you changed tactics and now you've enslaved them in a different manner.

it is the dems who control the plantation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I do think they have racial elements to their organization, and I did say support would be token, but I am complimenting him for breaking through that and complimenting them for putting it aside in favor of someone they ideologically can get behind.

As I say, you can't pat them on the back without acknowledging the past.
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What past does the TP have?

What do you base your belief in racism in the TP on?

Here is an idea: a lot of TPers are right here, you talk to them everyday. How about you tell us which of them are racist? Which aren't? Let's use your personal experience.
 
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joevol320 said:
hey lawvol, it's you libs who are the racist, you guys owned slaves, voted against the civil right act. you changed tactics and now you've enslaved them in a different manner.

it is the dems who control the plantation.
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joe, denying responsibility or revising history won't help the case. There's plenty of guilt to go around at various times through American history for the treatment of blacks. Progressives certainly have dirty hands in a bunch of ways to include their attempts to "help" the black community with misguided idealism. OTOH, blacks weren't exactly treated well prior to the progressive era either.
 
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sjt18 said:
joe, denying responsibility or revising history won't help the case. There's plenty of guilt to go around at various times through American history for the treatment of blacks. Progressives certainly have dirty hands in a bunch of ways to include their attempts to "help" the black community with misguided idealism. OTOH, blacks weren't exactly treated well prior to the progressive era either.
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he's beyond your attempts to aid him.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. It is logic and evidence. If you believe someone is equal to you then you should support them having the exact same freedoms and responsibilities that you have.

Liberals are racists because at the core of their beliefs on race is the premise that blacks are somehow not good enough to make it on a level playing field. Conservatives reject that premise completely believing that blacks can succeed and should have the same freedom/rights/responsibilities to do so.

This country rightly fought to assure that freedoms were secured for all races. There were unjust laws that allowed people or gov't to restrict freedom based on nothing but race.

But freedom is likewise undermined when you make someone a dependent. If you offer to be responsible for the consequences of someone's "free" choice... then once they become dependent... that choice is no longer free.

How has this worked out for the black community. Currently almost 90% believe that they have to vote for big gov't Dems or else life will go badly for them. They believe they must have gov't help or else they cannot succeed in life. Many even believe that opposition to those "crutches" amounts to hatred of them as people.

Since buying this bill of goods about 50 years ago and giving big gov't Dems almost total support... how have things changed in the black community? Black men are now more likely to go to jail than college. The black family has virtually disintegrated in part because married women were and are eligible for less gov't aid than single women with kids. Housing projects that were supposed to help people up have become crime ridden traps. In large measure due to a disproportionate dependence on gov't programs AND irresponsible behavior subsidized by gov't... black illegitimacy rose from 35% (which Moynihan rightly called a catastrophe that the nation could not bear) to around 70%.

Blacks who have done well... would have done well with just a guarantee of equal treatment. Some of those who have "failed" were fully capable of success.

Comparatively, things have NOT gotten better since selling their soul to Dems for the black community as a whole.
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There you go again. Making a totaly ignorant assumption as to what liberals think. Honestly, you don't have the first da** clue as to what you are talking about.
 
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joevol320 said:
hey lawvol, it's you libs who are the racist, you guys owned slaves, voted against the civil right act. you changed tactics and now you've enslaved them in a different manner.

it is the dems who control the plantation.
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The fact of the matter is, JoeVol, all the Democrats that owned slaves were CONSERVATIVES. All the racists Dems were CONSERVATIVES, not liberalsl.
 
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sjt18 said:
joe, denying responsibility or revising history won't help the case. There's plenty of guilt to go around at various times through American history for the treatment of blacks. Progressives certainly have dirty hands in a bunch of ways to include their attempts to "help" the black community with misguided idealism. OTOH, blacks weren't exactly treated well prior to the progressive era either.
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It would be better for to tell him he is wrong about the past instead of perpetuating a falsehood.
 
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2ironVol said:
There you go again. Making a totaly ignorant assumption as to what liberals think. Honestly, you don't have the first da** clue as to what you are talking about.
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Really? Then you explain it. The TP is a movement of millions... the left spent considerable resources trying to find instances of racism and simply could not do it.

Some of the most popular TP speakers are black. They powered two southern blacks to House victories. They are the core of support for Cain. The sum total of their proposition is that we should abide by the laws as they are written and that everyone should be treated equally under the law... short hand- rule of law.

I am not "totally ignorant" on what liberals think. Liberals dominate the media. They dominate academia. If a person does not know what the left believes.... they're living in a hole.

The act of race baiting is in itself racism. It is an attempt to manipulate someone by using their racial sensitivities against them. Again, the left does this constantly against the TP and conservatives generally.
 
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2ironVol said:
The fact of the matter is, JoeVol, all the Democrats that owned slaves were CONSERVATIVES.
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Nope. The classifications were different then but the south had a casted social structure. Elites ruled both financially and politically by the time of the Civil War. That doesn't translate directly to anything we have today but it is just as close to what we would call "liberal" as what we would call conservative. Even then, those who ran the Dem party believed that the masses needed to be governed by the elite.
All the racists Dems were CONSERVATIVES, not liberalsl.
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Actually no. Wilson was one of the first really powerful Progressives/liberals to take the WH. He was an absolute, abject racist. It was the early Progressives that were whole heartedly behind eugenics.

There is no question that the few that resisted the Progressive wave more than likely bear blame as well but ANY institutional racism in the 20th century has its origins in Progressivism... NOT constitutional conservatism.
 
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MG1968 said:
no, Paul is so adamantly anti-federal reserve that teaming up with Cain will be seen by his legions of rabid followers as an act of treachery
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Also, Paul's been targeting Cain a lot. I don't think he'd align with him.
 
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2ironVol said:
The fact of the matter is, JoeVol, all the Democrats that owned slaves were CONSERVATIVES. All the racists Dems were CONSERVATIVES, not liberalsl.
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Duh. They were conservatives simply because they were racists. Those are synonymous terms. I call Robert Byrd a conservative all the time, and nobody gets it.
 
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nbakerld said:
Duh. They were conservatives simply because they were racists. Those are synonymous terms. I call Robert Byrd a conservative all the time, and nobody gets it.
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Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan are stinkin' conservatives as well
 
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LOL, gs still posting pics and cartoons questioning whether Obama is an American. Gotta love lunatics who just won't give up the dream....
 
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