I wish this board would blow up after wins

#51
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madtownvol said:
Oh my, had the Lvs not accomplished a comeback victory, this board would have 100+ new threads all making the same point- Holly must go; the program is dead: BOYCOTT the LVs and on and on.

After a major win, it's more or less quiet on the western front....
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I understand your point but there was a LOT of posts and new threads. It was anything but all quiet.
 
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#52
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madtownvol said:
Why the hostility? I never said Mercedes had a bad game. I said the LVs won without all their top players having their best games. I think Diamond played close to her max. I have seen Mercedes and Jamie have better games than they did against ND. Mercedes is a 6-6 post so a double-double, which she has many of this season, is the mark of a stronger (not poor but stronger performance).

If this team is going to make a run at the SEC or a deeper run in the tourney (elite 8 to final 4), they are going to need 20 pts and 10 rebounds from Russell with Nared and DeShields also delivering. We are "big 3 team" with 4 support players. So, the Big 3 has to deliver.
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Russell has come in for some unwarrented criticism IMO for reasons I only partially understand - partially because of Holly's inside-out strategy that is executed poorly by the guards and partially because people erroneously see Russell's success coming at Diamond's expense.

Regarding the big 3 having to deliver, this team has a razor-thin margin for error. All 5 players on the floor have to deliver.

I would put it this way:
Russell and Nared are the team's most consistent players.
Diamond is the team's most explosive player.
But Reynolds and Jackson are the team's most important players, because if they play poorly (and they too often do) the team will go nowhere. But if they play well, it will lift the team over the hump that the big 3 can't get them over by themselves.
 
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ladyvosl23 said:
Uconn IS playing in the AAC not SEC different animal. And Lets stop comparing to UCONN to us we are not them they are not us . hell nobody is beating uconn so don't come put that burden over here .
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UCONN has played more Top 10 ...Top 25 ..programs than we have . I will compare UCONN to anything and anyone that I so desire.The reason for that is that they have less talent on their squad than we do and many folks on this board ( do not recall if you were one of them or not ) said that they did not have the talent to go to final 4 or win it again ....as I said in the above post that view was shared by many National pundits as well and also in the preseason rankings .Now I ask you how has that turned out ?

There is a very simple explanation for UCONN success and that is superior coaching.We will never know but I would submit that Shorty could take the current Lady Vol team and go to final 4 and maybe win it all.
 
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LVJeff said:
I don't see it that way. ND has 2 players who are better at their position than TN's and a 3rd who is equal. IMO.
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With the knowledge you had back when Diamond and Mercedes were Seniors in high school and you decided to pick teams AND you/we had first pick, then you/we would end up either all or mostly all Lady Vols. Both Diamond and Mercedes would have been the top TWO picks beating EVERY Notre Dame player. After you take away Notre Dame's top 2 players, the majority of our roster is better (on paper) then the rest of Notre Dame's team.
 
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LVJeff said:
Russell has come in for some unwarrented criticism IMO for reasons I only partially understand - partially because of Holly's inside-out strategy that is executed poorly by the guards and partially because people erroneously see Russell's success coming at Diamond's expense.

Regarding the big 3 having to deliver, this team has a razor-thin margin for error. All 5 players on the floor have to deliver.

I would put it this way:
Russell and Nared are the team's most consistent players.
Diamond is the team's most explosive player.
But Reynolds and Jackson are the team's most important players, because if they play poorly (and they too often do) the team will go nowhere. But if they play well, it will lift the team over the hump that the big 3 can't get them over by themselves.
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LVJeff, Well said.
 
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I wonder how many of our boarders write negative posts in football and women basketball where the only word change is to substitute Butch for Holly OR Vice Versa.
 
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Last season, when Notre Dame kicked our butts, I checked out the ND message board (NDnation) to see what their comments were on the game. I think there was one comment noting the game had happened, no discussion. Look at the board today and there are several screens' worth of comments. It's what happens with sports fans.
 
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I think Pat said defense wins games! The defense was very good. can we do that for a entire game.
 
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Nute Gunray said:
Madtown,

Below is an excerpt from an Web article about Geno and his success at UCONN. Geno is giving the answer(A):

"Q: Other than good players, the secret of your success.

A: Obviously the No. 1 thing is weÂ’re not winning anything without the great players that we have. The thing that always drives me, the thing I fear the most on coaching is signing a kid whoÂ’s the No. 1 player in America, or signing a kid who is an acclaimed high school basketball player, and they come to Connecticut, and they donÂ’t feel like after four years that I pushed them enough and did enough to make them great. ThatÂ’s my biggest fear." (END OF ARTICLE)

This is the point that I was trying to make in my post. The secret (not magic) to Geno's success is his relentless demand that he makes on his players to excel at winning basketball games. The intense practices are part of his strategy of demanding excellence from his players. Other WCBB coaches may have intense practices but not to the level of Geno's. I have gather this information from a number of WCBB sports reporters. This is what separates Geno from the rest of WCBB coaches including Holly.
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I watched the vid of Holly's press conference after the ND win. In one section, she talked about how she had mixed feelings about their last practice before the game--she thought the team practiced well for the first hour and very poorly in the second. She then ask the team which team was going to show up for the ND game and that she was happy when they all said "the first hour team."

I must say that reflection was informative.

I do think there is much truth to the ole saying that your play the way you practice. And if this team can't maintain its focus during a 2 hour practice, I guess it is not surprising that they can't maintain intensity over an entire game.

That lack of discipline and focus ultimately comes back to the coaches (the buck stops there) but it is also a failing on the players' part as well.

The reality seems to be that Holly is not able to instill the necessary accountability in players, though she might fine on many other dimensions. And this is not just about being "hard" on players (after all, Holly did pull the classic kick them out of the locker room move) but getting them to accept responsibility for getting better everyday and attending to all the details that separate winners from also rans.

A coach like Holly desperately needs a player who can be a vocal team leader and demand that kind of accountability (and in some ways, players probably respond more to a respected peer than a coach anyway).

In the last of the LVs glory days, Nicky Anosike played that role. More recently, Cierra Burdick seemed to be the team leader. I am not sure the LVs have had such a player since. None of the current LVs seem to have that persona of being able to demand accountability.

I think the culture of accountability started slipping a bit during the end of Pat's run, when her illness started to take its toll. I think a little of the resurgence the LVs had in Holly's first 2 season had a lot do with the senior leadership helping her keep the team focused and on track.
 
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madtownvol said:
I watched the vid of Holly's press conference after the ND win. In one section, she talked about how she had mixed feelings about their last practice before the game--she thought the team practiced well for the first hour and very poorly in the second. She then ask the team which team was going to show up for the ND game and that she was happy when they all said "the first hour team."

I must say that reflection was informative.

I do think there is much truth to the ole saying that your play the way you practice. And if this team can't maintain its focus during a 2 hour practice, I guess it is not surprising that they can't maintain intensity over an entire game.

That lack of discipline and focus ultimately comes back to the coaches (the buck stops there) but it is also a failing on the players' part as well.

The reality seems to be that Holly is not able to instill the necessary accountability in players, though she might fine on many other dimensions. And this is not just about being "hard" on players (after all, Holly did pull the classic kick them out of the locker room move) but getting them to accept responsibility for getting better everyday and attending to all the details that separate winners from also rans.

A coach like Holly desperately needs a player who can be a vocal team leader and demand that kind of accountability (and in some ways, players probably respond more to a respected peer than a coach anyway).

In the last of the LVs glory days, Nicky Anosike played that role. More recently, Cierra Burdick seemed to be the team leader. I am not sure the LVs have had such a player since. None of the current LVs seem to have that persona of being able to demand accountability.

I think the culture of accountability started slipping a bit during the end of Pat's run, when her illness started to take its toll. I think a little of the resurgence the LVs had in Holly's first 2 season had a lot do with the senior leadership helping her keep the team focused and on track.
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Madtown,

I forgot to say that your explanation of why Holly had early success in her first 2 years was absolutely on the money.
 
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Geno, I think, would have not let the second hour go poorly. He would have made an attitude adjustment in the first five minutes of that second hour.
 
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I HATE it when I have to agree with a uconner!

:censored::censored::censored::censored::sick:

T_Vol, where's a handy door?
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
I HATE it when I have to agree with a uconner!

:censored::censored::censored::censored::sick:

T_Vol, where's a handy door?
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If you can't find a door, slamming a drawer is pretty effective too, SV.... (I hate that GA is mentioned so much in here. Makes my eye twitch every time I see a comment about him.) LOL
 
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T_Vol376 said:
If you can't find a door, slamming a drawer is pretty effective too, SV.... (I hate that GA is mentioned so much in here. Makes my eye twitch every time I see a comment about him.) LOL
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I know what you mean. Far too many uconners here; some are OK, I just get tired of the geeno worship, wish they would keep that on their own board. Also have a few uconn trolls; one in particular thinks it is sooooo cute with its posts. But we do have some good conners on here who are capable of making intelligent, relevant, and polite comments. Those are nice to have around (sometimes:p).

gule, whatever happened to ruggy:sick: and convoluted::no:? Not heard from either of them in a long time. Think they were banned so changed their names to slip back in? I know you still miss ivy:blink:.
 
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#67
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Great win no doubt. Not much consistency though. Too many unacceptable losses. Build on this big win. GLV!!
 
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ruggy1 was a good poster, haven't heard a peep out of him though in a couple years... :(

hope he is still dirtside up!
 
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She is getting better. Her Doctor is now not sure about the pneumonia diagnosis. Her lungs are clear. Now, they think it was more likely a severe reaction to medication she got to clear up a urinary tract issue.

Poor lady looks like a cooked lobster today, :( But I got her to laugh and cut up a little bit with me so I know she was feeling better.
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
I know what you mean. Far too many uconners here; some are OK, I just get tired of the geeno worship, wish they would keep that on their own board. Also have a few uconn trolls; one in particular thinks it is sooooo cute with its posts. But we do have some good conners on here who are capable of making intelligent, relevant, and polite comments. Those are nice to have around (sometimes:p).

gule, whatever happened to ruggy:sick: and convoluted::no:? Not heard from either of them in a long time. Think they were banned so changed their names to slip back in? I know you still miss ivy:blink:.
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I don't understand the trolls....I like to think I was raised better...and have better things to do with my time!
 
#73
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I kinda miss knocking ole Ivy off her pedestal with a little good ole boy logic and watching her try to defend her impossible rants.
 
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gule said:
I kinda miss knocking ole Ivy off her pedestal with a little good ole boy logic and watching her try to defend her impossible rants.
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I have to admit it was fun. She was the only troll I've ever gotten a kick out of...I enjoyed reading the dueling. There was another poster that skewered her too. Can't remember who it was. You just used a howitzer on her.

"I am soooo smart, I am sooo cultured, I soooo love the Lady Vols, UT is soooo weak, UT fans/alumni are soooo dumb, I loooove you anyway, stand back (don't get toooo close to me!) and admire my wooooonderfulness......"
 
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