I wonder if Kiffin’s defensive flop fest cost him any looks…

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The_Big_Orange

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For all the talk about how he has matured, his obvious gaming of the system/rules for personal gain begged to differ. I know, I know, a lot of teams did it, even us but no one was as in your face about it as he was. No one.

If you took away his ability to screw with the flow of the game, how different does their record look? The Arky game would have for sure been a loss and probably the UT game too… that would put him at 8-4. Miss ST could have made it 7-5.

It would still have been a good turn around from last year but would it have been good enough? The guy is a good play caller and schemer but unfortunately that’s not just regulated to football.
 
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Maybe. He has so much baggage though, I think that would be down the list a bit.

I see your point though.
 
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If anything, he has rebuilt himself. You win 10 games at Ole Miss and finish inside the top 10 and people will start taking you more seriously as a head coach. Everyone involved that makes the hiring decisions could care less about the flopping stuff. He’s just taking advantage of a rule, or non-rule. We do it too but Kiffin is more more polarizing so it’s more amplified whenever his team does it. Personally, I think he would be the perfect head coach for Miami. I doubt he wants to leave the SEC though.
 
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I think at this point big jobs want to see him do what he did without Matt Corral. That would prove 1 of 2 or maybe both things. It wasnt just a good player who carried him. Or yes he can replace a good player and so his recruiting is solid enough to take a chance on. And power people may not admit it but while they may laugh at some of his tweets. Its comical from outsiders perspective but he would be better served from people that make the hiring and firing decisions at big time schools to not continually poke the bear. Because the eating crow part of bad publicity Money people dont like that kind of attention. Common fans dont care as much most subscribe to any publicity is good publicity. I don't know if the fainting goats defense held him back or not. I am sure if a school is looking for a coach and Kiffins flopping strategy effected the outcome agaisnt your team then certainly it was held against him. If he didn't do it against your team they probably shrugged it off. In fact I have a friend who does a Kentucky podcast and he just said "Yall were doing it too." However if Ole Miss did the fainting goats against his team he would be more ticked.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yea, that is what ADs are concerned about.
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This is a considerable over simplification of the point. Of course it’s not their sole criteria for the hire but it is a flag in what has a been an otherwise considerable reputation rebuild. Someone who is working hard on rebuilding their image doesn’t play dirty just because their isn’t a rule in place.

And anyone who thinks he wasn’t far and away one of the biggest abusers of this won’t have their mind changed by my opinion that’s for sure.
 
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The_Big_Orange said:
This is a considerable over simplification of the point. Of course it’s not their sole criteria for the hire but it is a flag in what has a been an otherwise considerable reputation rebuild. Someone who is working hard on rebuilding their image doesn’t play dirty just because their isn’t a rule in place.

And anyone who thinks he wasn’t far and away one of the biggest abusers of this won’t have their mind changed by my opinion that’s for sure.
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He has 10 wins at Ole Miss. It is a dirty business, wins are what matter.
 
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Twitter probably cost him. For some reason, people really get their panties in a wad over it....
 
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Or and like I know this might seem impossible…but…

Maybe he likes being at Ole Miss
 
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I would be shocked if any major program gave him a look, even if he made the playoffs. If people like us are getting nervous about Heupel leaving for Oklahoma, just imagine what it feels like to be a fan of whatever school he is coaching at. Plus, he has a terrible reputation for a lot of things. I don’t think the big schools even give him a sniff.
 
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Fightmaker said:
I would be shocked if any major program gave him a look, even if he made the playoffs. If people like us are getting nervous about Heupel leaving for Oklahoma, just imagine what it feels like to be a fan of whatever school he is coaching at. Plus, he has a terrible reputation for a lot of things. I don’t think the big schools even give him a sniff.
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Hate to break it to you but Old Miss is a "major program".
 
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Tennessee flopped a ton. You really think an olineman really went down every single EP attempt?
 
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hog88 said:
Hate to break it to you but Old Miss is a "major program".
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That's funny.

So is Kansas I guess. And Candy. And Rutgers.

I'm pushing 50. In my lifetime, Ole Miss has a winning record exactly 13 years (counting this season). Of those thirteen, about 7 of them were 6-5 seasons. 1 game above .500. That means 6 seasons out of about 50 finishing more than one game above .500.

In the last 30 years, their winningest coach is Cut. He won about 2/3 of their games in his five seasons, and then they fired him lol. Guess he was not fulfilling the objectives of the program !


See where I'm going with this?
 
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stolitonic said:
That's funny.

So is Kansas I guess. And Candy. And Rutgers.

I'm pushing 50. In my lifetime, Ole Miss has a winning record exactly 13 years (counting this season). Of those thirteen, about 7 of them were 6-5 seasons. 1 game above .500. That means 6 seasons out of about 50 finishing more than one game above .500.

In the last 30 years, their winningest coach is Cut. He won about 2/3 of their games in his five seasons, and then they fired him lol. Guess he was not fulfilling the objectives of the program !


See where I'm going with this?
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Circles. You’re going in circles. What do I win for guessing right?
 
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VolPack22 said:
If anything, he has rebuilt himself. You win 10 games at Ole Miss and finish inside the top 10 and people will start taking you more seriously as a head coach. Everyone involved that makes the hiring decisions could care less about the flopping stuff. He’s just taking advantage of a rule, or non-rule. We do it too but Kiffin is more more polarizing so it’s more amplified whenever his team does it. Personally, I think he would be the perfect head coach for Miami. I doubt he wants to leave the SEC though.
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I have never seen as much obvious flopping as the Ole Miss defense did against Tennessee. Flopping is amplified with Kiffin, not because he is "polarizing", but because of the regularity with which his team does it.

On a separate note, this forum sure does consider Lane Kiffin to be a more coveted head coach, than what is reflected by reality. VN had him as a front runner for both the Florida and LSU openings. However, there is no indication that he was ever considered by either school... and he won't be considered by Oklahoma or Miami either. He is clearly not as in demand, as this place thinks.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have never seen as much obvious flopping as the Ole Miss defense did against Tennessee. Flopping is amplified with Kiffin, not because he is "polarizing", but because of the regularity with which his team does it.

On a separate note, this forum sure does consider Lane Kiffin to be a more coveted head coach, than what is reflected by reality. VN had him as a front runner for both the Florida and LSU openings. However, there is no indication that he was ever considered by either school... and he won't be considered by Oklahoma or Miami either. He is clearly not as in demand, as this place thinks.
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Care to guess how many times Ole Miss has won 10 games in the regular season?
 
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VolPack22 said:
Care to guess how many times Ole Miss has won 10 games in the regular season?
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That has nothing to do with my post. My point, is simply that his services as a head coach are not as coveted, as some posters on this forum want to believe. There is no indication that any of the major programs with an opening in the last month (and we won't count USC, since they already fired him once), such as Florida, LSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Virginia Tech have even reached out to Kiffin.... and yet, his name is always mentioned on here for every major job opening. It shouldn't be. The interest in Kiffin from AD's just isn't there.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That has nothing to do with my post. My point, is simply that his services as a head coach are not as coveted, as some posters on this forum want to believe. There is no indication that any of the major programs with an opening in the last month (and we won't count USC, since they already fired him once), such as Florida, LSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Virginia Tech have even reached out to Kiffin.... and yet, his name is always mentioned on here for every major job opening. It shouldn't be. The interest in Kiffin from AD's just isn't there.
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You can play the other side of that coin just as easily and say they were interested but maybe he didn’t want those jobs at this time. We don’t know. These are just my opinions looking at it from afar. His personality doesn’t fit with Notre Dame so that’s an immediate no. LSU wanted Brian Kelly after they missed on Lincoln Riley because they have had a consistently winning program. Florida doesn’t usually make the big splash hire that we all expect them to make. They usually go with more of an up and comer it seems. Virginia Tech would be a step down from Ole Miss due to the power of the SEC. Oklahoma is the only program that I am unsure of. They have had great stability for decades now and all the sudden they are left scrambling. They will be coming to the lion’s den soon and they do not want to walk in there unprepared. They may take the plunge with him, but once again I don’t think his personality fits there. That’s why I said Miami, if that becomes available. His style was born for that program.
 
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VolPack22 said:
You can play the other side of that coin just as easily and say they were interested but maybe he didn’t want those jobs at this time. We don’t know. These are just my opinions looking at it from afar. His personality doesn’t fit with Notre Dame so that’s an immediate no. LSU wanted Brian Kelly after they missed on Lincoln Riley because they have had a consistently winning program. Florida doesn’t usually make the big splash hire that we all expect them to make. They usually go with more of an up and comer it seems. Virginia Tech would be a step down from Ole Miss due to the power of the SEC. Oklahoma is the only program that I am unsure of. They have had great stability for decades now and all the sudden they are left scrambling. They will be coming to the lion’s den soon and they do not want to walk in there unprepared. They may take the plunge with him, but once again I don’t think his personality fits there. That’s why I said Miami, if that becomes available. His style was born for that program.
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LOL! Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
 
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