If anyone is worried about NIL being unsustainable...

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This is the key quote:

"We have to have those conversations with [the players]. 'Tell your agent to quit calling us and asking for more money.' It's non-negotiable now. It'll start again in December," Gundy said. "So now we're able to direct ourselves just in football, and that part is fun."
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RIP any semblance of college football as we knew it. Free agency for every player, every December.
 
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There will be changes if the current system is too chaotic. Open payments to college athletes , however, is here to stay.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is the key quote:




RIP any semblance of college football as we knew it. Free agency for every player, every December.
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The Portal is the sea change, not NIL. Even if NIL didn't exist, there'd still be a huge incentive for players to transfer (better under the table offer, more playing time elsewhere, etc.).

Most schools in a few years are going to have a GM-type role that handles DTD management of transfers, NIL, keeping existing players happy, etc. Player/roster management is much harder in college than the pros and it is going to burn a lot of coaches out (already has) and really change how college coaching staffs are organized.

The current system is the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes being able to shop his services around to every other NFL team at the end of each season, and the Chiefs constantly having to re-up his contract to keep him happy. It's wild.
 
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LouderVol said:
if only the NCAA had been planning ahead, and instead of keeping their head in the sand and fighting it like they could ever win.
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Coaches have always bitched about this for a hundred years. They can just do it publicly now.
 
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05_never_again said:
The Portal is the sea change, not NIL. Even if NIL didn't exist, there'd still be a huge incentive for players to transfer (better under the table offer, more playing time elsewhere, etc.).

Most schools in a few years are going to have a GM-type role that handles DTD management of transfers, NIL, keeping existing players happy, etc. Player/roster management is much harder in college than the pros and it is going to burn a lot of coaches out (already has) and really change how college coaching staffs are organized.

The current system is the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes being able to shop his services around to every other NFL team at the end of each season, and the Chiefs constantly having to re-up his contract to keep him happy. It's wild.
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Yes, which will cause NIL totals to skyrocket in a short amount of time.
 
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“Start again in December?” Gundy is naive if he thinks the NIL negotiations aren’t going to go on year round. It’s open season 24/7.

And I don’t get how a QR code is going to work on a player’s helmet. How does one get close enough to take a picture? Are they going to put them in the game program instead of player pictures? All of this is very confusing to a technology impaired person like me.
 
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Delmar said:
“Start again in December?” Gundy is naive if he thinks the NIL negotiations aren’t going to go on year round. It’s open season 24/7.

And I don’t get how a QR code is going to work on a player’s helmet. How does one get close enough to take a picture? Are they going to put them in the game program instead of player pictures? All of this is very confusing to a technology impaired person like me.
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You'll be able to scan it off of a TV/computer screen. If you're watching the game on TV, or highlights on your computer, or reading an article containing pictures from games, etc. you could scan it.

It's also a form of advertising/awareness building for their NIL program in general. You'll see that QR code and be aware of what that is for, even if you don't donate, just like you drive down the road and see a billboard for a company even if you don't buy from that company.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, which will cause NIL totals to skyrocket in a short amount of time.
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But I don't think the size of the deals is the game-changer. The deals guys sign could be gargantuan, but if the old transfer rules existed I don't think many guys would sit out a year, making nothing and harming their draft potential, to pick up a bigger NIL deal 2 years later. There'd be guys who would pull a Le'Veon Bell and would do it, but I bet they'd be the exception and not the rule.

I'd agree that Portal + NIL probably turbocharges the free agency mentality among players, but NIL without the Portal is "old" college sports except that the money is on top of the table instead of under it. You'd still have the 24/7 free agency chaos even if NIL didn't exist.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, which will cause NIL totals to skyrocket in a short amount of time.
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This one I am torn on.

Logic dictates that yes, you are correct.

I just question exactly how things are going to work in the long run. When NIL started, at least my understanding was that local companies, etc would essentially "sponsor" a player basically in return for appearances, etc.

Businesses being what they are however, it seems that the initial returns were not so good for the companies. So most of the NIL funds now seem to be coming from the fans.

This is where the problem lies in my mind. Fans are fickle largely depending on how your team is doing on the field. 5 years ago, I could have probably scored free tickets for pretty much any UT home game I wanted to go to. Now? On field results have improved and even getting in the door for the UTChatt game is going to cost you a bill or two

When the team sucks, with the current situation there are only two ways things could go
1. Fans pony up even more $ to get better recruits, etc. This would be more applicable for alumni etc I guess.

2. The "casual" fan loses interest. Possibly switches their fandom to another team doing well. The bandwagon fan if you will. Don't like them, but they are the difference between a waiting list and a half empty stadium

College football is becoming like the airlines. Add on fees for EVERYTHING. Lord knows how much everyone loves dealing with airlines.

Just seems like a flashing red light to me, but maybe I'm just weird.
 
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05_never_again said:
You'll be able to scan it off of a TV/computer screen. If you're watching the game on TV, or highlights on your computer, or reading an article containing pictures from games, etc. you could scan it.

It's also a form of advertising/awareness building for their NIL program in general. You'll see that QR code and be aware of what that is for, even if you don't donate, just like you drive down the road and see a billboard for a company even if you don't buy from that company.
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Thanks. But it seems to me like it would be pretty hard to scan it on TV during a game. Wouldn’t think the camera would stay on it long enough for you to focus your phone. Also would think the code would be pretty small unless there was a really close shot. I could see being able to do it from a still picture. It all sounds pretty ambitious to me. But again, I’m the poster child for technical illiteracy.
 
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05_never_again said:
You'll be able to scan it off of a TV/computer screen. If you're watching the game on TV, or highlights on your computer, or reading an article containing pictures from games, etc. you could scan it.

It's also a form of advertising/awareness building for their NIL program in general. You'll see that QR code and be aware of what that is for, even if you don't donate, just like you drive down the road and see a billboard for a company even if you don't buy from that company.
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Maybe they put the number and name on the back of the jersey and a big QR code on the front? Yeah that’s the ticket.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is the key quote:




RIP any semblance of college football as we knew it. Free agency for every player, every December.
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Agreed since this pay to play only came about 3 years ago, it has changed everything…..not like anyone every got paid before that or was it only the chosen schools….
 
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05_never_again said:
The Portal is the sea change, not NIL. Even if NIL didn't exist, there'd still be a huge incentive for players to transfer (better under the table offer, more playing time elsewhere, etc.).

Most schools in a few years are going to have a GM-type role that handles DTD management of transfers, NIL, keeping existing players happy, etc. Player/roster management is much harder in college than the pros and it is going to burn a lot of coaches out (already has) and really change how college coaching staffs are organized.

The current system is the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes being able to shop his services around to every other NFL team at the end of each season, and the Chiefs constantly having to re-up his contract to keep him happy. It's wild.
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hit the nail on the HEAD…..PORTAL is what has amplified everything, the money has always been there it was just selective enforcement. Kind of like holding on Alabama OL…..
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
hit the nail on the HEAD…..PORTAL is what has amplified everything, the money has always been there it was just selective enforcement. Kind of like holding on Alabama OL…..
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And the State of Tennessee, no doubt with the blessing if not the encouragement of the University of Tennessee, joined the WV case to neuter the NCAA's ability to stop the wholesale, unregulated, multiple transfer of athletes.

So, who is the bad guy here?
 
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The "Haves" and the "Have Nots" will have an ever increasing chasm between them, and that chasm will widen exponentially in the next 5 years. This will be the death of football at a lot of schools. Players will not be loyal to a school to the same degree as they once were. It'd be like Josh Dobbs having warm fuzzy memories and loyalty to Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Titans, Cardinals, Vikings, 49ers.

At least the NFL has guardrails to attempt to keep the playing field fair. Salary caps, the draft (worst team get's first pick). Can you imagine Vanderbilt being able to get Nico (against his will) because they sucked? For college football, it's the wild west now and like the shootout at the OK corral, there will be a lot of bodies in the boot hill cemetary.

The days of a "student athlete" representing "His" school is now a joke. If they stick around for more than a season, yes, they could get that "vibe", but the bond between the player and the university is evaporating. Not saying it's totally gone - Vol alumni still show loyalty, but NIL pulls in folks that really don't care much about the school being a school. The term VFL (Vol For Life) doesn't apply to every one that dons an orange jersey anymore.

I can see the term "academically ineligible" being a violation of the Sherman Anti-trust act.
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Delmar said:
Thanks. But it seems to me like it would be pretty hard to scan it on TV during a game. Wouldn’t think the camera would stay on it long enough for you to focus your phone. Also would think the code would be pretty small unless there was a really close shot. I could see being able to do it from a still picture. It all sounds pretty ambitious to me. But again, I’m the poster child for technical illiteracy.
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You just pause the DVR and scan it. Let’s say #88 makes a big play. You can now pause the game, scan the QR code, and send him $100 or whatever amount you want.
 
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I still don’t understand how NIL works. When I first heard about it, I was under the impression that college players are now allowed to sign with agents, endorse products, make money for public appearances and commercials, and make money off jersey sales and other merch. But the way it’s developing with schools having a certain amount of NIL money, I don’t understand it.
 
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The SEC should just get it over with and convert to a pro league, sever the ties with the universities, pay them a license fee for the right to be the Official SEC Team of the Univ of Tennessee, and run the league like the pro league it has de facto become.

Just set up an ownership structure for each team like Green Bay and give shares to the donors.

The NFL needs real competition anyway, might as well be the SEC.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I still don’t understand how NIL works. When I first heard about it, I was under the impression that college players are now allowed to sign with agents, endorse products, make money for public appearances and commercials, and make money off jersey sales and other merch. But the way it’s developing with schools having a certain amount of NIL money, I don’t understand it.
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the schools still don't have a direct hand/money in the NIL deals. those are third party groups. It seems like the school is more involved because its easier to keep track to say "Tennessee's NIL" vs "Spyre", or "Bama's NIL" vs "Cousin'sOnly.com".

the deals with the money still come with some commercial act. even if its just signing a bunch of stuff, or showing up to some event. the money that pays them goes to a collective, so even if you send money to those Oklahoma State guys with the QR code, its not like the money goes directly from your bank account to theirs.

the end result is they are paid for on field performances, but it is set up through off-the-field financial structures. and its really the fault of the NCAA for not having a handle on this. there could have been more structure, but they fought it to the literal end, instead of adapting to minimize the "damage" later.
 
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Bama shutting down their top collective.

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But also: "Additional sources at the University of Tennessee told FootballScoop that athletics director Danny White, a business innovator, also is interested in bringing NIL operations inside the halls of Rocky Top -- a move that could imperil the Spyre Collective"
 
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