If Cal and UT win out.......

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checkerboard_charly

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will we get the shaft??

The computers seem to love Cal so much that this could happen.

I was listening to the Zone out of Nashville this morning and Wycheck said he talked to an ex coach who votes in the Harris Poll. When asked why he thinks Cal should be ranked higher than UT, he said that he thinks Cal is playing better and that is what he bases his pick on.

???????? :lolabove:
 
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Just more proof that the polls, bcs, and bowl games are ridiculous. A real 16 team playoff would make this kind of stuff irrelevant.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
will we get the shaft??

The computers seem to love Cal so much that this could happen.

I was listening to the Zone out of Nashville this morning and Wycheck said he talked to an ex coach who votes in the Harris Poll. When asked why he thinks Cal should be ranked higher than UT, he said that he thinks Cal is playing better and that is what he bases his pick on.

???????? :lolabove:
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Yep Cal is playing better?!?!?! I think UT is the ONLY team to beat 2 top ten teams?
 
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Playing better? Imagine how we would look if we played the high-school level of defense in the PAC-10. We single-handedly took Lynch out of the Heisman Race. They couldn't do anything offensively until they were playing our 3rd string(probably the equivalent of what they're used to facing in that weak @$$ conference). I don't wanna hear how they've turned into a great team. We made them look silly and I, for one, am looking forward to doing it again next year
 
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You can't ignore the fact that a team can improve through the season ... and it may be possible that Cal is much better than they were when they played us. Personally, I think that UT is improving a lot...I don't know whether Cal has improved to the point that they are better than UT ... but I doubt it. With that said...Cal will serve notice when they play USC. If Cal beats USC and UT and Cal each win out, Cal will be ranked higher - no doubt in my mind. I don't like it ... but our weak schedule for the last few games and their late game against a strong USC will hurt us. The only way we get ranked ahead of Cal is if we make it to the SECCG and win ... IMO.
 
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If we win out, then I think we keep a higher ranking than Cal. Although the BCS may be stupid, the poll guys won't forget the game.
 
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85Destiny said:
Just more proof that the polls, bcs, and bowl games are ridiculous. A real 16 team playoff would make this kind of stuff irrelevant.
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It is irrelevant anyway. Right now, Cal is playing for the Pac-10 Conference championship and an automatic BCS bowl bid. UT is playing for an at large bid...MORE IMPORTANTLY, NEITHER ARE PLAYING FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR!
 
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They're playing better because of who they're playing.

Once Cal beats an overrated USC team, that should all but secure their place permanently ahead of the Vols.

Unless of course, Cal slips up. They play an improved Washington team this week.
 
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tidwell said:
They're playing better because of who they're playing.

Once Cal beats an overrated USC team, that should all but secure their place permanently ahead of the Vols.

Unless of course, Cal slips up. They play an improved Washington team this week.
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That is the truest thing that will happen. I was thinking about this earlier today.

Cal will be set once they (Or IF) they beat USC.
 
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I'm telling you the voters, the human polls, seriously need some etched-in-stone criteria..locks and limits, if you will..on which they must base their votes. To categorically claim Cal is playing better than UT will not stand up to even a little scrutiny. It's irresponsible voting at the very least, bias-driven at the worst. Some of these goobers really should have their vote stripped.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
will we get the shaft??

The computers seem to love Cal so much that this could happen.

I was listening to the Zone out of Nashville this morning and Wycheck said he talked to an ex coach who votes in the Harris Poll. When asked why he thinks Cal should be ranked higher than UT, he said that he thinks Cal is playing better and that is what he bases his pick on.

???????? :lolabove:
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We still have 6 games left. You shouldn't worry so much, jeez, just WAKE UP and look at reality.
 
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Thats what it is suppossed to be, but there has to be something wront with that. it seems like the computer polls pull it their way quite a bit.
 
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VolFan1978 said:
Incorrect. The Coaches' Poll accounts for 1/3, the Harris Poll for 1/3 and the aggregate of the computers 1/3. So the human polls have twice as much weight as the computers.
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But their are 7 computers factoring into the computer rankings. And just to let you know O-Dub the computers that the BCS uses are using SOS. I read that today in the paper. So i'm not sure why they say that SOS isnt being used b/c it is.
 
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kevol80 said:
Playing better? Imagine how we would look if we played the high-school level of defense in the PAC-10. We single-handedly took Lynch out of the Heisman Race. They couldn't do anything offensively until they were playing our 3rd string(probably the equivalent of what they're used to facing in that weak @$$ conference). I don't wanna hear how they've turned into a great team. We made them look silly and I, for one, am looking forward to doing it again next year
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here here this man speaks the truth:salute:
 
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TennTradition said:
You can't ignore the fact that a team can improve through the season ... and it may be possible that Cal is much better than they were when they played us. Personally, I think that UT is improving a lot...I don't know whether Cal has improved to the point that they are better than UT ... but I doubt it. With that said...Cal will serve notice when they play USC. If Cal beats USC and UT and Cal each win out, Cal will be ranked higher - no doubt in my mind. I don't like it ... but our weak schedule for the last few games and their late game against a strong USC will hurt us. The only way we get ranked ahead of Cal is if we make it to the SECCG and win ... IMO.
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you know what would suck say UF loses again that puts UT in the driver seat in the east then we play ARK. we beat them then ARK wins out and we play them again in the seccg we will not get any points in the bcs for that as we had already played them.
that is what auburn ran into by having to play us twice in 2004
THE BCS SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
but lets not worry w/ all of this its bama week.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
But their are 7 computers factoring into the computer rankings. And just to let you know O-Dub the computers that the BCS uses are using SOS. I read that today in the paper. So i'm not sure why they say that SOS isnt being used b/c it is.
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There are 63 coaches' poll voters, whose votes are averaged into a poll that accounts for 1/3 of the total. There are 114 Harris Poll voters, whose votes are averaged into a poll that accounts for 1/3 of the total. There are 6 computer polls, whose votes are averaged (after throwing out high/low) into a poll that accounts for 1/3 of the total. So the computers only influence 1/3 of the BCS total. The only reason that Cal is ahead of UT when you average everything out is that UT is just slightly better than Cal in the human polls, but Cal smokes UT in the computers and thus comes out just slightly ahead in the average.

Strength of schedule is implicitly considered in every computer poll, as well as subjectively in the minds of voters. Just because there isn't an explicit metric of strength of schedule doesn't mean that it's not a factor. The original formulation of the BCS included a SOS ranking, which was a calculation that was added to the overall ranking. This was done away with when USC was excluded from the BCS championship game despite a #1 ranking in both polls (their SOS rating was so weak that it dropped them behind LSU and Oklahoma). I personally didn't understand the uproar, because the BCS was designed as an objective means to select among more than two teams with similar record, not just to confirm the votes of the human pollsters. Someone had to be left out, and I have no problem with it being the team that obviously played the weaker schedule.

As far as where we are in SOS this year, a strength of schedule metric is subjective in its formulation. So one would have to state the assumptions upon which their metric is based before producing such a ranking. In the case of the Sagarin ratings, I believe he uses the simple mean of the opponents' rankings as the basis of his SOS ratings.
 
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