If Gingrich gets the GOP Nomination I will vote for Obama

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Just like the last election was about " not bush" I have a feeling this one will be about " not Obama". A newt campaign has the chance to even eff that up if it goes negative enough by both sides. If newt gets the nomination it wouldn't be a disaster but it would be playing with fire.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
hummm...where have I heard this before?

This mentality is part of the reason we are up sh*it creek without a paddle. When the people don't make a stand, they will continue to get steam rolled. The "lesser of the two evils" is still a sh*itty choice to having running the show. At some point the American people have to break the vicious cycle.
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You aren't making a stand by writing in your father's name or Darth Vader.

You wanna make a stand? I'm cool with it. Go form a true third party, get a real candidate, force a three party debate, and let's rock.

But that's not the case right now and voting for Woody Woodpecker in 2012 isn't going to do anything but get Obama re-elected.
 
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NEOCON said:
You aren't making a stand by writing in your father's name or Darth Vader.

You wanna make a stand? I'm cool with it. Go form a true third party, get a real candidate, force a three party debate, and let's rock.

But that's not the case right now and voting for Woody Woodpecker in 2012 isn't going to do anything but get Obama re-elected.
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At some point, the GOP will either be forced to put up real conservative candidates or they will be satisfied winning elections. Jeb Bush and Sarah Palin even thinking about jumping into this race is a joke and an insult.
 
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Why kust it be that the Republicans must be the ones to reform?

The dems threw in a guy who had no real resume at all and voted present.

You want real change then go create a true 3rd party.

I just don't think many people understand how toxic this administration is on our country.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not a fan of Obama; I did not vote for him in '08 (I cast a write-in vote) and, until this morning, the thought of voting for Obama had not even crossed my mind. However, in light of Gingrich's remarks regarding the Supreme Court, I will not hesitate to vote for Obama if Gingrich wins the GOP Nomination.
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You need a better understanding of what the constitutional function of the SC was meant to be. Newt's point was that he would disregard bench legislation as he should. The SC is meant to interpret existing laws, not create new ones based on their personal political agendas.
 
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NEOCON said:
I just don't think many people understand how toxic this administration is on our country.
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Speaking for myself, I truly understand the situation. And you would think that the GOP would be as eager to change the direction of this country as I would be. But if they continue to throw slop out here like Dole, McCain, Romney or Newt at us and expect us to support that from now until whenever, they are mistaken.
 
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abb4 said:
You need a better understanding of what the constitutional function of the SC was meant to be. Newt's point was that he would disregard bench legislation as he should. The SC is meant to interpret existing laws, not create new ones based on their personal political agendas.
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It is not his place as head of the Executive Branch to do so. Whether a judge's ruling is strictly enacting judicial review or directing "bench legislation" is an entirely subjective notion. It is a very slippery slope if you let the President pick and choose which rulings fall into which category; then disregard those which are not to his liking or as he might publicly proclaim "bench legislation."
 
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So we should allow a group of permanently-placed, non-elected officials to determine the legislative framework of our country? The three branches of government were established as such to provide checks and balances to one another. I don't believe it is the sole right of the president to pass judgment, but it certainly is his responsibility as OUR elected representation to enforce the principles of the Constitution.

I mean these are elementary constitutional foundations, and it baffles me to try and understand how they are even debatable.
 
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abb4 said:
So we should allow a group of permanently-placed, non-elected officials to determine the legislative framework of our country? The three branches of government were established as such to provide checks and balances to one another. I don't believe it is the sole right of the president to pass judgment, but it certainly is his responsibility as OUR elected representation to enforce the principles of the Constitution.

I mean these are elementary constitutional foundations, and it baffles me to try and understand how they are even debatable.
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Wonderful. Last time I check the President (elected) appoints a Supreme Court justice AND the Senate (elected) votes to approve such an appointment after a vigorous background check and Senate hearings. All of which (President, Senators, and Supreme Court Justices) are sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
Why, specifically? What are his stances on the issues you like?
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You are are putting the cart before the horse. There are not "issues" and "stances". There is 1 issue in this election and that's Jobs. If we have more jobs, all the other issues will take care of themselves.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Wonderful. Last time I check the President (elected) appoints a Supreme Court justice AND the Senate (elected) votes to approve such an appointment after a vigorous background check and Senate hearings. All of which (President, Senators, and Supreme Court Justices) are sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution.
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Don't be naive, politicians haven't done this in years. It is all about supporting party-line agendas. The Constitution has been rendered obsolete by the Washington idiots (on both sides of the aisle) and if you don't think that is true, listen to the rhetoric spewed about the application of Constitutional principles in "modern" America. It's pathetic and disgusting.

Also, just because justices are appointed by elected officials doesn't give them free reign to legislate from the bench. You aren't supporting your argument by pointing out how justices are appointed, because once on the bench there still needs to be accountability for them to serve in the manner in which the Constitution allows them.
 
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abb4 said:
Don't be naive, politicians haven't done this in years. It is all about supporting party-line agendas. The Constitution has been rendered obsolete by the Washington idiots (on both sides of the aisle) and if you don't think that is true, listen to the rhetoric spewed about the application of Constitutional principles in "modern" America. It's pathetic and disgusting.

Also, just because justices are appointed by elected officials doesn't give them free reign to legislate from the bench. You aren't supporting your argument by pointing out how justices are appointed, because once on the bench there still needs to be accountability for them to serve in the manner in which the Constitution allows them.
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In other words, since the Constitution has basically been rendered obsolete through Constitutional processes, it is perfectly okay to render those processes obsolete and, thus, ignore them?
 
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abb4 said:
Don't be naive, politicians haven't done this in years. It is all about supporting party-line agendas. The Constitution has been rendered obsolete by the Washington idiots (on both sides of the aisle) and if you don't think that is true, listen to the rhetoric spewed about the application of Constitutional principles in "modern" America. It's pathetic and disgusting.

Also, just because justices are appointed by elected officials doesn't give them free reign to legislate from the bench. You aren't supporting your argument by pointing out how justices are appointed, because once on the bench there still needs to be accountability for them to serve in the manner in which the Constitution allows them.
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Actually my argument was to refute your assertion that our representation was not abiding by the Constitution with regards to the Supreme Court.

Secondly, since you detest our representation due to your assertion that they do not act to uphold the Constitution, what do you think should happen? Certainly you wouldn't want those same people to have more control over the Supreme Court, or would you? I really don't know what you want as far as a solution.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Speaking for myself, I truly understand the situation. And you would think that the GOP would be as eager to change the direction of this country as I would be. But if they continue to throw slop out here like Dole, McCain, Romney or Newt at us and expect us to support that from now until whenever, they are mistaken.
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I agree the GOP has not placed out a good product in many years.

But at this point I'd vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran on the GOp ticket.
 
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If you choose establishment republicans over democrats it means you want the US to go bankrupt, but just more slowly.
 
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NEOCON said:
I agree the GOP has not placed out a good product in many years.
But at this point I'd vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran on the GOp ticket.
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You would vote for Hillary, regardless of her policy stances, because she would have an "R" after her name.

If voters would look at the person and how they stood on issues instead of the "D" or "R", this country would not be in the mess we are in.
 
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GAVol said:
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Uhh, the GOP is doing exactly that. Esp. if we get Newt/Romney/Jeb Bush as the candidate. They will just slowly drive us over the cliff, while the Democrats have their foot pressed on the gas peddle.

Voting GOP is voting for a slow death. At least the Dems will get it over with quickly.
 
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