If I wanted America to fail...

[Cartervol]

The ice is melting. Faster than ever before. That is not a prediction. It is an observation. The ice takes longer to reform each winter. Another observation. Polar bears are coming into contact with Kodiak or Brown bears in Alaska when that used to hardly ever occur in the past(due to a lack of an ice barrier). Another observation. The melted ice will raise sea levels, just as when there is an abundance of ice the sea levels drop concurrently. Yet another observation. The only 'prediction' that I will make is that the trend will not reverse on its own. It will require direct action. Not political fighting.

You think people are directly responsible for that? The earth has heated and cooled since recorded time. It goes in cycles. When it gets too populated like the point it's getting to right now, it's going to shake us off like fleas. Man made global warming is a farce and always has been.

 

[JayVols]

You think people are directly responsible for that? The earth has heated and cooled since recorded time. It goes in cycles. When it gets too populated like the point it's getting to right now, it's going to shake us off like fleas. Man made global warming is a farce and always has been.

The heating and cooling of the planet usually coincided with catastrophic events (volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes) rather than just natural cycles.

 

[RespectTradition]

The ice is melting. Faster than ever before. That is not a prediction. It is an observation. The ice takes longer to reform each winter. Another observation. Polar bears are coming into contact with Kodiak or Brown bears in Alaska when that used to hardly ever occur in the past (due to a lack of an ice barrier). Another observation. The melted ice will raise sea levels, just as when there is an abundance of ice the sea levels drop concurrently. Yet another observation. The only 'prediction' that I will make is that the trend will not reverse on its own. It will require direct action. Not political fighting.

'The ice', whatever you mean by that, is not melting as fast as the models predict. Ice in some places is even growing.

The question is not whether climate change happens, of course it does. The questions are: what causes it, how much of what causes it is human, and what are the things that we do that contribute to climate change and by how much? These questions are the ones that the models are failing to accurately predict. That makes the whole issue difficult.

Example, if the models predict that an increase of x% in the output of Q will result in a temperature change of T and we see an increase greater than x% in the output of Q and the temperature change is less than T, then we know that the models are flawed.

Have you ever looked into the issue of sensitivity for example? This is a measure of how much the climate will change due to a change in output.

If the models keep predicting that changes CO2 will result in a certain increase and it does not happen, then we need to look at the models. We need to determine if the 'problem' is being caused by CO2 before we politicize the issue and start taking actions that can cripple the economy.

Incidentally, climate change could potentially work out very well for us in the long run. It is not necessarily a problem. It could just be a short term inconvenience.

I am not saying that man-made changes to the climate are negligible. I am not saying that they won't cause severe problems. I am just saying that it is not as cut and dried or as decided as a lot of people like to think.

 

[Cartervol]

The heating and cooling of the planet usually coincided with catastrophic events (volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes) rather than just natural cycles.

Something will eventually happen that will kill off a large portion of the population. It's happened before, it will happen again. You can't convince me that we're still breathing emissions from the first model T's. They can preach that trash somewhere else, to someone gullible enough to believe it.:thumbsup:

 

[lawgator1]

We need less government and less regulation.

If I were running for POTUS, my platform would be that I would direct the head of each agency to identify 15 pct in cuts.

Every one. No exception.

 

[JayVols]

Something will eventually happen that will kill off a large portion of the population. It's happened before, it will happen again. You can't convince me that we're still breathing emissions from the first model T's. They can preach that trash somewhere else, to someone gullible enough to believe it.:thumbsup:

Would never happen again as long as Bruce Willis is alive.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Would never happen again as long as Bruce Willis is alive.

If I've learned anything, it's that blowing up an asteroid with an atomic weapon is the way to go! Science be damned!

 

[JayVols]

If I've learned anything, it's that blowing up an asteroid with an atomic weapon is the way to go! Science be damned!

It's freaking cool to boot.

 

[therealUT]

We need less government and less regulation.

If I were running for POTUS, my platform would be that I would direct the head of each agency to identify 15 pct in cuts.

Every one. No exception.

I could get behind this.

 

[therealUT]

Global warming is hardly problematic. The heat melts the ice. The resulting water from the melted ice will raise sea levels. A rise in sea level will have a couple of distinct effects. First, we will lose coast lines all over the globe to flooding. That is easily catastrophic, as the coasts are heavily populated, world wide. The other effect will be an altering of the ocean currents (and their distribution of heat around the planet). When the equatorial heat is not spread around the globe due to the oceanic currents, the oceans will in effect stop circulating. This will cause the polar ice to advance rapidly. The growing ice will reflect sunlight (and it's heat), further increasing colder temps (and thus leading to the creation of even more ice). Unless we are all going to live like the Alaskan's, that is a problem. -- I would stop short of "free reign" but industry must be allowed to explore and innovate. Do we have 'centuries' left to fix our problems? I'd say that is a bit optimistic. We need to be working on them now. Instead of fighting based on political lines.

It is only catastrophic if the individuals do not move off the coasts. Given the fact that the water will not rise exponentially overnight, this should not be catastrophic. You might want to do some research into the "Medieval Warm Period" to see that Global Warming could actually have some great benefits for humanity: arable land in Canada and Siberia, for one thing.

Do you mean which is more coherently written, or which one more directly relates to what America is going through currently? Also, should our politicians read them, our do you think they are sufficiently educated and well-read as to be able to handle the problems of the world?

I mean which system is more coherent. I certainly think that our politicians should read them; of course, the only way to demand that politicians read them is to have an informed electorate that has read them.

 

[volinbham]

We need less government and less regulation.

If I were running for POTUS, my platform would be that I would direct the head of each agency to identify 15 pct in cuts.

Every one. No exception.

Hard to imagine that you support Obama because he is the polar opposite of this in every area.

 

[volinbham]

I don't think that Obama or those that support the policies alluded to in the video want the US to fail. I do think that the video represents some of the unintended consequences of the policy prescriptions of those people.

 

[Cartervol]

Would never happen again as long as Bruce Willis is alive.

I forgot about Bruce. We don't have anything to worry about.

 

[JayVols]

I forgot about Bruce. We don't have anything to worry about.

Straight up bad azz.....

 

[hog88]

We need less government and less regulation.

If I were running for POTUS, my platform would be that I would direct the head of each agency to identify 15 pct in cuts.

Every one. No exception.

I'd do you one better LG, make them all do a zero baseline budget. Line item everything they want to spend.

 

[n_huffhines]

I am for anything within reason that will help America make the turn around it needs. And it has been in need of a turn around for many years now. Maybe ***** Romney has a 'master' plan to get this nation back on track. :birgits_giggle: I guess we will see soon.

The people who made this video probably don't endorse Romney. I'm almost sure of it.

 

[n_huffhines]

Hard to imagine that you support Obama because he is the polar opposite of this in every area.

That's why I'm confused.

 

[Gramps]

We need less government and less regulation.

If I were running for POTUS, my platform would be that I would direct the head of each agency to identify 15 pct in cuts.

Every one. No exception.

I do believe that VN has you shifting right. Two more years on VN you will be a social conservative.

 

[n_huffhines]

I do believe that VN has you shifting right. Two more years on VN you will be a social conservative.

Please no. Can you imagine LG as a vigilant Bible thumper? Save us all.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I don't think that Obama or those that support the policies alluded to in the video want the US to fail. I do think that the video represents some of the unintended consequences of the policy prescriptions of those people.

I don't think that was the point of the video. I believe the point of the video is that those polices and unintended outcomes, if left unchanged, will cause America to decline in wealth and prosperity (failure).