If I'm obsessed with Obama, what are you guys?

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TennNC

TennNC

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It just occurred to me yesterday, as Emain and Smokefatty and a few others and I were listing some of Obama's appealing qualities (per the thread request) that there were far more attempts at dragging the man down. And a couple of you posted (semi-tongue-in-cheek, I know) that I was obsessed with Obama, like a girl on the front row at an Elvis concert.

To set the record straight, I've heard the man speak once, from the nosebleeds at the Deandome. And I've given exactly $50 to his campaign. And I don't have a yard sign, or a tattoo.

So, if I'm obsessed, what are some of you? My mind immediately went to another source of distaste amongst Volnation members. A particular football team who has owned our beloved Vols the past 17 seasons or so. And how, despite getting our butts handed to us 4 out of 5 years, winning Heisman trophies and SEC championships and national championships, we continue to bash them with everything we have. It seems the only thing they've done wrong is beat us (how dare they). And I wonder if perhaps the writing is on the wall here, and the bashing has begun before the game is decided.

Bash away.
 
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its a political thread, there's always room for debate. does this mean that most liberals are obsessed w/ Bush? all they do is bash him
 
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I don't think you fall into the irrational segment of the overall Obama crowd. You do have to admit that people fainting at rallies and men and women standing in the front row clutching an Obama magazine cover close to their chests while openly weeping while staring up at Obama resembles idol worship and rock star like adoration (this mostly comes from the clueless college crowd). Our president is an employee of the nation, holding it's highest office, not a rock star. It is very concerning to most repubs and should be to all Americans. We don't need an idol to be worshiped we need a solid president with experience and solid plans, not a bumper sticker that reads "Hope and Change" because in the end that is all we have really been given by him to date. I am not obsessed with Obama as much as concerned that his failures coupled with that of Bush's will be very hard to pull out of if allowed to happen. We are trying to deal with the failures of one inexperienced president, we don't need another right now!
 
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There is far less riding on a Florida win than an Obama win. My kids will have to look up the score of the 07 UT/UF game but I believe they will see the effects of Mr Obama with their own eyes
 
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utvolpj said:
There is far less riding on a Florida win than an Obama win. My kids will have to look up the score of the 07 UT/UF game but I believe they will see the effects of Mr Obama with their own eyes
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:no: You are not a UT fan, how dare your kids have to look that info up. :)
 
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I would love for TennNC or Emain to read post #4 and give me their reaction or thoughts.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't think you fall into the irrational segment of the overall Obama crowd. You do have to admit that people fainting at rallies and men and women standing in the front row clutching an Obama magazine cover close to their chests while openly weeping while staring up at Obama resembles idol worship and rock star like adoration (this mostly comes from the clueless college crowd). Our president is an employee of the nation, holding it's highest office, not a rock star. It is very concerning to most repubs and should be to all Americans. We don't need an idol to be worshiped we need a solid president with experience and solid plans, not a bumper sticker that reads "Hope and Change" because in the end that is all we have really been given by him to date. I am not obsessed with Obama as much as concerned that his failures coupled with that of Bush's will be very hard to pull out of if allowed to happen. We are trying to deal with the failures of one inexperienced president, we don't need another right now!
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The sentiment that the sky will fall should he be elected seems to be growing (on this board). You seem to be slightly concerned, open-minded but right of center. I'm slightly concerned too, but much more optimistic, and left of center. So, some of his actions I might interpret as improvements where you might interpret as setbacks, but not to some horrifying degree.

I'd just ask from all open-minded voters like yourself. If he does get elected, let's give him a fair chance to succeed, and support him if we have some momentum. It doesn't help to push him farther in the hole than we already are.
 
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TennNC said:
I'd just ask from all open-minded voters like yourself. If he does get elected, let's give him a fair chance to succeed, and support him if we have some momentum. It doesn't help to push him farther in the hole than we already are.
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I'm sorry but there is no way that will happen. How can someone who doesn't believe in his policies even consider helping him succeed? I will fight most of them with anything I can. This nation can't be allowed to head in the direction he wants it to go. I fear with a Dem congress we may have no choice.
 
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It's simply because we can't afford his policies ( I can hear TennNC screaming Iraq at his computer right now). You act like it's personal, but all I'm going by is what the man has said. How is anything Obama going to do help a) with Iraq b) gas prices c) the economy or d) help protect us against terrorism. He wants to install a windfall profit tax on oil companies, he said months ago he would add a larger tax on gas (not sure how that puts more gas in my car makes it cheaper) his plan for Iraq is withdrawl(ignoring what Patreaus has said)he will roll back the Bush tax cuts, implement some kind of UHC, and talk with Iran. I haven't brought up any personal assoctiations or anything to do with his wife, either.
 
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Here's all I'm saying. Same with fulmer or pearl or the coach of any team you root for. If they start winning, don't bash them, even if you dislike them. If Obama is elected and the country makes steady improvements in areas we all can agree with (economy mainly, but also areas like foreign policy), try to be open-minded to the possibility that he's actually having a positive effect on this country.

If he effs up, absolutely we should hold his feet to the fire.

Same goes for McCain. I will pledge that right now.
 
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I can have respect for the Presidency, but why give him a chance? I know exactly what he's going to do, it's not any great secret. TennNC, you're acting like we're out of line by worrying about it.
 
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TennNC said:
The sentiment that the sky will fall should he be elected seems to be growing (on this board). You seem to be slightly concerned, open-minded but right of center. I'm slightly concerned too, but much more optimistic, and left of center. So, some of his actions I might interpret as improvements where you might interpret as setbacks, but not to some horrifying degree.

I'd just ask from all open-minded voters like yourself. If he does get elected, let's give him a fair chance to succeed, and support him if we have some momentum. It doesn't help to push him farther in the hole than we already are.
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I agree with KB5252's basic premise - the "worship" vibe is so over the top it deserves mockery. I don't put you in that camp.

I certainly don't fear an Obama admin but that doesn't mean I would endorse it. There's a huge difference.

As for the last part in bold, it's a nice sentiment but it would certainly be unique in modern politics. Opposition to Bush policies certainly had some role in the situation we are in. War opposition and wavering made waging the war more difficult. Partisan tactics stalled legislation and initiatives that would have helped today. Foreign policy moves by Clinton and Carter made the Bush admin's job much tougher. Those 2 guys should have known better since they knew how hard international diplomacy can be but they put themselves and politics above all else. The opposition did nothing to help and everything to hurt. Pelosi and Reid have been incredibly divisive. It's unfortunate but true.

It also will be tough since Obama has used class and anti-big business rhetoric. He's not demonstrated the bi-partisan ideals he preaches. His Senate votes are predominantly party line even when much of his party went with the Republicans.
 
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socialism fails every time it's tried.

Obama touts a middle class tax cut, that's nice, but he fails to realize that his tax increases elsewhere will do nothing but drive consumer prices up on everything, thus cancelling out his middle class tax cut. No one has ever explained how Obama's tax increases will improve the economy, nor have they come up with a rational explanation why Obama so blithely disregards the Laffer curve.

Obama claims his universal health care plan won't cover illegal aliens, yet also claims it's goal is to cover the 47 million Americans not currently insured. By all accounts, that 47 million figure includes 12 million or so illegal aliens.

My mind is made up. Obama will not "succeed" in preserving the ideals of the Founding Fathers. I am not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I do not fear him as a person, but I am afraid of his brand of Euro-centric socialism.

My only hope is that if he is elected, he will lose Congressional majorities in 2010.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I can have respect for the Presidency, but why give him a chance? I know exactly what he's going to do, it's not any great secret. TennNC, you're acting like we're out of line by worrying about it.
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Not at all. In fact, I've stated several times (in this very thread, in fact) that I think there's a risk of him becoming president.

The point I'm trying to make is that to characterize me as a full-fledged, Kool-aid drinking disciple is as inaccurate as saying you all are predicting a falling sky.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree with KB5252's basic premise - the "worship" vibe is so over the top it deserves mockery. 1) I don't put you in that camp.

I certainly don't fear an Obama admin but that doesn't mean 2) I would endorse it. There's a huge difference.

As for the last part in bold, it's a nice sentiment but it would certainly be unique in modern politics. Opposition to Bush policies certainly had some role in the situation we are in. War opposition and wavering made waging the war more difficult. Partisan tactics stalled legislation and initiatives that would have helped today. Foreign policy moves by Clinton and Carter made the Bush admin's job much tougher. Those 2 guys should have known better since they knew how hard international diplomacy can be but they put themselves and politics above all else. The opposition did nothing to help and everything to hurt. Pelosi and Reid have been incredibly divisive. It's unfortunate but true.

3) It also will be tough since Obama has used class and anti-big business rhetoric. He's not demonstrated the bi-partisan ideals he preaches. His Senate votes are predominantly party line even when much of his party went with the Republicans.
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1) I doubt the majority of folks who have engaged me in these debates feel the same way, but I appreciate your objectivity nonetheless.

2) not asking you to endorse it. asking you (everyone) to not demonize him should he start to show success.

3) fair point, and I'm not thrilled with some of his rhetoric. I'd have preferred him to be inclusive. But we know that candidates and politicians behave differently (some for the better, some for the worse). Let's wait and see.

And remember - same goes with McCain for me. I will hope for the best from our country if he's elected.
 
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MG1968 said:
socialism fails every time it's tried.

Obama touts a middle class tax cut, that's nice, but he fails to realize that his tax increases elsewhere will do nothing but drive consumer prices up on everything, thus cancelling out his middle class tax cut. No one has ever explained how Obama's tax increases will improve the economy, nor have they come up with a rational explanation why Obama so blithely disregards the Laffer curve.

Obama claims his universal health care plan won't cover illegal aliens, yet also claims it's goal is to cover the 47 million Americans not currently insured. By all accounts, that 47 million figure includes 12 million or so illegal aliens.

My mind is made up. Obama will not "succeed" in preserving the ideals of the Founding Fathers. I am not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I do not fear him as a person, but I am afraid of his brand of Euro-centric socialism.

My only hope is that if he is elected, he will lose Congressional majorities in 2010.
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You can't win them all.
 
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I dunno..... I do admit at times I get worked up over both of them. Honestly, both are not worth the powder to blow their brains out.

Getting down to the nitty gritty of it I will feel sorry for the troops if Obama is elected. He will leave his military choices to the pencil necks wearing suits who have no idea about the citizen soldier.

My greatest fear is that Obama, given the situation, will behave like Carter and not give a damn about the Americans who were being held hostage in Iran. Really, no less than six times Carter contacted Iran and "thought" diplomacy was going well only be cut off. What is the definition of insanity?

Then Carter was forced to act and he left the decisions to the penicl necks wearing suits and they wiped out the Delta Force Mission.

The pencil necks in suits need to get their head out of their arse and let the military plan their own operations.

Carter's pencil necks in suits had dillusions of Operation Entebbe, hoping for media praise for Cater, but in that case the political machine of Israel stayed away from the military operation.

This is my greatest fear with Obama....... he is going to act like Lincoln for the first three years of the Civil War, he will act like Woodrow Wilson and treat the soldiers as peseants, he will act like Truman and not do was it necessary during a time of war, he will act like Johnson and make war plans out of the oval office, he will act like Reagan and pretend the military are his storm troopers, he will act like Bush I and use the military as a drug force......... he will dismiss the military as Clinton did....... then we have W.............................................................

It is amazing that our military is what it is considering all the crap they have to go through.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I dunno..... I do admit at times I get worked up over both of them. Honestly, both are not worth the powder to blow their brains out.

Getting down to the nitty gritty of it I will feel sorry for the troops if Obama is elected. He will leave his military choices to the pencil necks wearing suits who have no idea about the citizen soldier.

My greatest fear is that Obama, given the situation, will behave like Carter and not give a damn about the Americans who were being held hostage in Iran. Really, no less than six times Carter contacted Iran and "thought" diplomacy was going well only be cut off. What is the definition of insanity?

Then Carter was forced to act and he left the decisions to the penicl necks wearing suits and they wiped out the Delta Force Mission.

The pencil necks in suits need to get their head out of their arse and let the military plan their own operations.

Carter's pencil necks in suits had dillusions of Operation Entebbe, hoping for media praise for Cater, but in that case the political machine of Israel stayed away from the military operation.

This is my greatest fear with Obama....... he is going to act like Lincoln for the first three years of the Civil War, he will act like Woodrow Wilson and treat the soldiers as peseants, he will act like Truman and not do was it necessary during a time of war, he will act like Johnson and make war plans out of the oval office, he will act like Reagan and pretend the military are his storm troopers, he will act like Bush I and use the military as a drug force......... he will dismiss the military as Clinton did....... then we have W.............................................................

It is amazing that our military is what it is considering all the crap they have to go through.
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sounds like you have more than one greatest fear, and for the life of me, I cannot understand exactly what they are. but it sounds like you got some stuff off your chest.
 
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tim said:
"it would have seemed political".
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and what would your post have read had he visited American troops in Germany? I imagine it would have been something along the lines of:

Oh, it's just a political ploy.
 
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