If I'm obsessed with Obama, what are you guys?

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emainvol said:
and what would your post have read had he visited American troops in Germany? I imagine it would have been something along the lines of:

Oh, it's just a political ploy.
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Actually, I would have expected the visit. The fact that he explained why he did not go was because it would have looked political because he had an advisor with him who was ex military and a supporter of his. Guess it never occurred to him to just UN-invite said advisor?

Go ahead E-main, put it into context for me.
 
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I'm sticking to my guns, it was a lose-lose for him. If he goes, then there are people praising him for it, when they praise him for it there are plenty of people (and I am sorry if I unfairly categorized you as one of them) who would rip him because it was "politically motivated"
 
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if cameras aren't allowed, and Obama knew that, then how is it viewed as political?

political is that mish mash of a sermon he gave in Berlin
 
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MG1968 said:
if cameras aren't allowed, and Obama knew that, then how is it viewed as political?

political is that mish mash of a sermon he gave in Berlin
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I don't think anyone that would argue that that was intended to be political. However, there is a big difference between making a political statement while speaking to a group of German citizens, and making a political statement while sitting at the bedside of an injured soldier.
 
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jeez, emain, you sound as cynical as I do. I think it's possible for a politician to meet with the troops and not have it be political (even Obama), however, in this case I think Obama cancelled the visit because he couldn't turn it into a photo-op like he did with the basketball game.
 
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MG1968 said:
jeez, emain, you sound as cynical as I do. I think it's possible for a politician to meet with the troops and not have it be political (even Obama), however, in this case I think Obama cancelled the visit because he couldn't turn it into a photo-op like he did with the basketball game.
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It's possible, but as I said before, it was lose-lose.
 
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emainvol said:
I'm sticking to my guns, it was a lose-lose for him. If he goes, then there are people praising him for it, when they praise him for it there are plenty of people (and I am sorry if I unfairly categorized you as one of them) who would rip him because it was "politically motivated"
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Yea, considering how he gets treated by the press, I can envision this "lose-lose" you speak of.
 
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TennNC said:
sounds like you have more than one greatest fear, and for the life of me, I cannot understand exactly what they are. but it sounds like you got some stuff off your chest.
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It is truly simple........ government is not the answer and people willingly without question give up their liberty to government.

That is scary to me!
 
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Well, based upon these 3 pages of responses, it seems a good bit of the hatred and fear of Obama here mirrors that many Vol fans have for the Gators - it's so deep it's blinding.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, based upon these 3 pages of responses, it seems a good bit of the hatred and fear of Obama here mirrors that many Vol fans have for the Gators - it's so deep it's blinding.
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You don't think hatred and fear are a bit strong?

I can easily say Ben Affleck is a terrible actor and I don't understand why anyone would thing otherwise without hating him or fearing. He really does suck BTW
 
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TennNC said:
Well, based upon these 3 pages of responses, it seems a good bit of the hatred and fear of Obama here mirrors that many Vol fans have for the Gators - it's so deep it's blinding.
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It also seems that a good bit of the support for Obama is steeped in knowing nothing about the man save a slew of canned speeches and old school socialism.

I'm not sure if you're calling me blind, but you might consider checking out the same mirror while your talking about charismatic leadership and constitutional scholars.
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volinbham said:
1) You don't think hatred and fear are a bit strong?

I can easily say Ben Affleck is a terrible actor and I don't understand why anyone would thing otherwise without hating him or fearing. 2) He really does suck BTW
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1) Unless the posts I'm referring to (not yours, but there are plenty) are complete sarcasm and I'm not reading them correctly, then no, I don't think those words are too strong. I honestly think a lot of people are afraid of this man b/c they don't know much about him other than his madrassa and his reverend and his flag pin. And they're filling in the blanks with some fantastical ideas.

2) I couldn't agree more. But paying $8 to watch a movie is on a different scale than selecting the leader of the free world. And fear comes from the unknown. We all know Affleck sucks as an actor.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It also seems that a good bit of the support for Obama is steeped in knowing nothing about the man save a slew of canned speeches and old school socialism.

I'm not sure if you're calling me blind, but you might consider checking out the same mirror while your talking about charismatic leadership and constitutional scholars.
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I've criticized him many times on this board. I don't recall you posting anything redeeming about the man. But I do recall you trying to attack any post that does.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, based upon these 3 pages of responses, it seems a good bit of the hatred and fear of Obama here mirrors that many Vol fans have for the Gators - it's so deep it's blinding.
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I don't fear or hate him personally. I loathe his politics, which are more in tune with Marx than Jefferson.
 
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TennNC said:
I've criticized him many times on this board. I don't recall you posting anything redeeming about the man. But I do recall you trying to attack any post that does.
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really?

as for redeeming qualities, he seems to be a good father.
 
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TennNC said:
I've criticized him many times on this board. I don't recall you posting anything redeeming about the man. But I do recall you trying to attack any post that does.
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you're pretending that he is a known and all you have to masure the man by is a brief stint in congress with votes leaning toward a campaign, a bevy of campaign speeches and brief glimpses into the man's life, all of which have been negative.

I can't think of any single meaningful issue upon which Obama and I would see eye to eye.

You're saying that our lack of information has led to fear, which is the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. I don't have a bit of fear about the man. I just don't think he has any business as our president. He has no business at the helm of our military, he's a financial idiot and his diplomacy ideas are senseless. Other than that, what are we electing him for, knowledge of the constitution?
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TennNC said:
1) Unless the posts I'm referring to (not yours, but there are plenty) are complete sarcasm and I'm not reading them correctly, then no, I don't think those words are too strong. I honestly think a lot of people are afraid of this man b/c they don't know much about him other than his madrassa and his reverend and his flag pin. And they're filling in the blanks with some fantastical ideas.

2) I couldn't agree more. But paying $8 to watch a movie is on a different scale than selecting the leader of the free world. And fear comes from the unknown. We all know Affleck sucks as an actor.
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My problem with the hate and fear commentary is that is reduces someone's views to emotional. It suggests their opposition to Obama is irrational rather than a position based on a critical evaluation of the man and his policies. It's a way to minimize their views.

I think most on here that criticize him are reacting to his policies and his political maneuvering. Discussing Rev. Wright or Ayers is not an indicator of fear anymore than bringing up the Keating 5 is.
 
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volinbham said:
My problem with the hate and fear commentary is that is reduces someone's views to emotional. It suggests their opposition to Obama is irrational rather than a position based on a critical evaluation of the man and his policies. It's a way to minimize their views.

I think most on here that criticize him are reacting to his policies and his political maneuvering. Discussing Rev. Wright or Ayers is not an indicator of fear anymore than bringing up the Keating 5 is.
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Most of our decisions are based on emotions (me included). We post-rationalize our emotional decisions, but that, like BPV says of polls, is self-fulfilling prophecy. It's easier to look for reasons to support or oppose someone or something rather than to truly approach it with an open eye and mind and then decide where your support lies. It's not minimizing anyone's views in particular - it's pointing out a basic principle of human nature.
 
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