If my view who who can and cannot vote was law

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For those who don't know my stance on voting here it is before I continue:

Must either own land, own a business, be current or ex military, or 30 years of age or older and employed for the last 6 months unless laid off.


Now with that said, if only this segment of society was (ever since the beginning) the only segment able to vote would this country currently have the debt it has, would welfare exist in the form it does today, would food stamps exist, and would the democrat party and republican party look the same or would their stances be totally different.


To sum it up, if only that segment could vote how would America look different?
 
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NEOCON said:
For those who don't know my stance on voting here it is before I continue:

Must either own land, own a business, be current or ex military, or 30 years of age or older and employed for the last 6 months unless laid off.


Now with that said, if only this segment of society was (ever since the beginning) the only segment able to vote would this country currently have the debt it has, would welfare exist in the form it does today, would food stamps exist, and would the democrat party and republican party look the same or would their stances be totally different.


To sum it up, if only that segment could vote how would America look different?
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The Roman Republic had plenty of financial problems.
 
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Well, to answer your question, I don't really think any of us know what such a voting landscape would look like. I think it's safe to say that that segment of our population makes up the vast majority of voters anyhow, with some exceptions here and there. Furthermore, I'm assuming that your requirements are determined according to who you think would be the most educated voters, or more pertinently, the ones who would make sounder decisions in the interests of economics. To be honest, though, there are plenty of dumb people who either own land, own businesses, serve or have served in the military, are 30 years of age or older, or have held a job for 6 months or more. I don't know that the results would be all that different, but like I said, who really knows.
 
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At this point I would just like those who pay taxes (yes, I know everyone pays embedded taxes) added as a requierment. A republic cannot stand with only half or less than half (depending on what study you cite) paying taxes for all.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
At this point I would just like those who pay taxes (yes, I know everyone pays embedded taxes) added as a requierment. A republic cannot stand with only half or less than half (depending on what study you cite) paying taxes for all.
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Or just eliminate the income tax altogether...
 
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I'm for voters earning the franchise through service ala Heinlein in Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie).

That said, I think we need to rebuild our independent press into something truly independent so we can get actual information about all candidates before an election(especially the local politicians!).
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Or just eliminate the income tax altogether...
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Well yes, but that's a whole different issue. Even if we fair taxed it or flat taxed it, with our current political culture most would get their taxes right back. My grip is about percentage either way.
 
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YorkVol said:
I'm for voters earning the franchise through service ala Heinlein in Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie).

That said, I think we need to rebuild our independent press into something truly independent so we can get actual information about all candidates before an election(especially the local politicians!).
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Ha. And I thought I was dreaming.
 
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I think only recipients of government welfare should vote since they use it the most. I wonder if that segment could vote how would America look?
 
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NEOCON said:
For those who don't know my stance on voting here it is before I continue:

Must either own land, own a business, be current or ex military, or 30 years of age or older and employed for the last 6 months unless laid off.


Now with that said, if only this segment of society was (ever since the beginning) the only segment able to vote would this country currently have the debt it has, would welfare exist in the form it does today, would food stamps exist, and would the democrat party and republican party look the same or would their stances be totally different.


To sum it up, if only that segment could vote how would America look different?
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I think you would see some third world conditions for the non voting segment. Workers rights and working conditions for the lower class would be like that of China.
 
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Weezy said:
I think only recipients of government welfare should vote since they use it the most. I wonder if that segment could vote how would America look?
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Bread and circuses, my friend, bread and circuses.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I think you would see some third world conditions for the non voting segment. Workers rights and working conditions for the lower class would be like that of China.
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So you mean they would either work or die?

please tell me more of this utopia you speak of.
 
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Do you place no value on quality of life? In China people commit suicide over working conditions. Is that what you think America should model itself around?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
You're such a tool. You're very fortunate to have been born into a favorable situation. Many aren't.
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fortunate he was born with the ability to work?

I don't agree with his voting requirements since they were concocted after he met them. However everyone should strive to work in order to feed themselves and their family
 
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utvolpj said:
fortunate he was born with the ability to work?

I don't agree with his voting requirements since they were concocted after he met them. However everyone should strive to work in order to feed themselves and their family
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I agree but if the cost of living is more than wages earned what should they do? Get a third jod so they can never be home to raise their kids and let the cycle continue?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I agree but if the cost of living is more than wages earned what should they do? Get a third jod so they can never be home to raise their kids and let the cycle continue?
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First, I'm a strong advocate of being able to fully provide for children before having them. Actions should have consequences.

I would bet that very few run into the scenario where there wages aren't sufficient enough to provide. Now, there may be other circumstances involved (like stupid debt) but I just don't see how it happens. Why would it require a 3rd job? If I was fired today I could get a job at the local 7-11 and still keep my house, car, etc.
 
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utvolpj said:
fortunate he was born with the ability to work?

I don't agree with his voting requirements since they were concocted after he met them. However everyone should strive to work in order to feed themselves and their family
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No fortunate to be born into a situation where he was supported enough to (presumably) earn a college degree and put himself in a position to own a business, or be a manager, or w/e it is he does. He always looks down on the working class.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
No fortunate to be born into a situation where he was supported enough to (presumably) earn a college degree and put himself in a position to own a business, or be a manager, or w/e it is he does. He always looks down on the working class.
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so basically he was lucky to be born in the US right?
 
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No, not everyone in the US is in a situation where they can reasonably expect to be able to afford college.
 
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