If the big "12" goes away...

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TNsnyper20

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Which conference would take their place as the bcs qualifier. Or could this signify the downfall of the bcs and finally push the issue of a playoff system?

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The talk is that we coud end up with 4 16 team super confrences. That would eliminate 2 of the 6 power confrences(if you consider the Big East a power confrence...). I don't see 2 confrences going away. At the same time I don't think there are 80 schools that are capable of competing at a high level. I would hope that it leads to a playoff. If each confrence has 2 divisions then let the 2 division leaders from each confrence enter a playoff for the championship and let the other teams that have their bowl games.
 
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miggy4vols said:
I think it officially signals the end of the bs, i mean, bcs
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Say what you will about the BCS, but if it goes away in favor of a playoff college football will change drastically and not for the better. The BCS allows college football to have a regular season unlike any other sport, where games that you play on September 1 are just as important as games that are played on November 30. A playoff bring an end to that. Sure, December and January will be super exciting, but the regular season which is so great now will be GREATLY diminished.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Say what you will about the BCS, but if it goes away in favor of a playoff college football will change drastically and not for the better. The BCS allows college football to have a regular season unlike any other sport, where games that you play on September 1 are just as important as games that are played on November 30. A playoff bring an end to that. Sure, December and January will be super exciting, but the regular season which is so great now will be GREATLY diminished.
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I think the "the regular season will be diminished" argument is way overblown. If you keep the playoff pool small enough it doesn't dominish the regular season very much at all. If you open it up too big, then I agree, to an extent.
 
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If the playoff is limited to only conference champs, then the regular season would still be incredibly significant.
 
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The regular season will never be diminished since that is what would get you into the playoff.
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bleedorange0037 said:
Say what you will about the BCS, but if it goes away in favor of a playoff college football will change drastically and not for the better. The BCS allows college football to have a regular season unlike any other sport, where games that you play on September 1 are just as important as games that are played on November 30. A playoff bring an end to that. Sure, December and January will be super exciting, but the regular season which is so great now will be GREATLY diminished.
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Tell that to Boise State and TCU. They apparently haven't played a meaningful regular season game in years. Auburn's perfect 2004 season did them a whole lot of good. Ditto Utah 2008, Marshall 1999, and Tulane 1998.

And what happens to Oregon, Georgia, and Notre Dame this season? Their week 1 losses have greatly diminished the remainder of their regular seasons. I get your point, but it goes both ways.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
The regular season will never be diminished since that is what would get you into the playoff.
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Are you really going to make the argument that every week of the NFL season holds the same intrigue that the CFB season does? How many must win games are going to be played in the NFL this Sunday? On the other hand, on the first weekend of the college season, Oregon and LSU played what amounts to a NC contender knockout game.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Are you really going to make the argument that every week of the NFL season holds the same intrigue that the CFB season does? How many must win games are going to be played in the NFL this Sunday? On the other hand, on the first weekend of the college season, Oregon and LSU played what amounts to a NC contender knockout game.
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Biggest myth in all of football. The truth is, 99% of all games in college football are glorified exhibition matches. Every game matters? Nonsense. The knockout thing sounds awesome on paper until you realize your favorite team's season is irrelevant after the first game.

Not to mention the fact that half of the FBS teams' seasons are over before they start. That's fun.

Oh yeah - a system where two teams in big conferences can have the same record with only one getting a chance at the title? That system instantly becomes 100% indefensible.
 
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UTRavens said:
Biggest myth in all of football. The truth is, 99% of all games in college football are glorified exhibition matches. Every game matters? Nonsense. The knockout thing sounds awesome on paper until you realize your favorite team's season is irrelevant after the first game.

Not to mention the fact that half of the FBS teams' seasons are over before they start. That's fun.

Oh yeah - a system where two teams in big conferences can have the same record with only one getting a chance at the title? That system instantly becomes 100% indefensible.
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So a better system is one that allows a team like last years Green Bay Packers, who lost 6 times during the regular season, but then just happened to get hot at the right time, to be champions. The college football system rewards teams for being good from September through January, not just in January. As for teams like Boise and TCU, until they make the necessary moves to join a conference and play real competition on a WEEKLY basis, they can continue to enjoy being afterthoughts.
 
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UTRavens said:
Biggest myth in all of football. The truth is, 99% of all games in college football are glorified exhibition matches. Every game matters? Nonsense. The knockout thing sounds awesome on paper until you realize your favorite team's season is irrelevant after the first game.
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Disagreed. Your team's season is only "irrelevant" if it's a non-BCS program ranked outside of the Top 5 or so after the week one polls. Tennessee is currently unranked but, if they run the table, they'll play for the national title. Northwestern is currently unranked but, if they run the table, they've got a great chance of playing for the national title. Every game matters because, if you're not amongst a handful of teams, you're not playing for a BCS championship if you have a loss.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
As for teams like Boise and TCU, until they make the necessary moves to join a conference and play real competition on a WEEKLY basis, they can continue to enjoy being afterthoughts.
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Boise State would win the SEC East with their eyes closed. I'm not saying they'd go undefeated in conference because that's too difficult a claim to make, but this conference has sent a 2 loss team to the BCS title game... and there's no way Boise State would lose more than once with our schedule.
 
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CT_Vol said:
Boise State would win the SEC East with their eyes closed. I'm not saying they'd go undefeated in conference because that's too difficult a claim to make, but this conference has sent a 2 loss team to the BCS title game... and there's no way Boise State would lose more than once with our schedule.
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Possibly, but it doesn't matter. In a world where nearly everyone is making moves trying to end up in a quality conference, Boise St. is content to sit back, play one big game a year, and then whine when they get left out at the end of the year. That's why I refuse to feel sorry for them. They've made it abundantly clear they want no part of being in a BCS conference.
 
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The reality is that we have a 2-team playoff right now.

I agree that expanding that to 4 or 8 or even 16 (or some other number if first-round byes are used) will have a negative effect on the do-or-die excitement that comes from games involving undefeated and/or top-ranked teams...a number which gets smaller and smaller as the season wears on.

But it also would keep more teams in the mix. The pool of teams jockeying to be part of the top 16 would be far greater than the pool of teams jockeying for the top 2. That means more meaningful games for more teams for more of the season.

We'd be giving up the fun of having a guillotine hang over the loser of a game like LSU-Oregon...but we'd be getting more exciting games for a longer stretch of the year by doing so.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Possibly, but it doesn't matter. In a world where nearly everyone is making moves trying to end up in a quality conference, Boise St. is content to sit back, play one big game a year, and then whine when they get left out at the end of the year. That's why I refuse to feel sorry for them. They've made it abundantly clear they want no part of being in a BCS conference.
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They've also never gotten the opportunity. You don't just sign up for Pac-12 membership like you're signing up for a Costco membership.

And they have made moves, joining the MWC this year before they knew TCU and BYU were jumping ship (after stepping up to the WAC from the lowly Big West before that). They also have had a notoriously tough time finding BCS teams willing to play them.

You can question whether Boise would succeed vs. a stronger schedule, but you can't question their effort in trying to put one together.
 
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Or...you could install a playoff and get more awesome OOC games.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Are you really going to make the argument that every week of the NFL season holds the same intrigue that the CFB season does? How many must win games are going to be played in the NFL this Sunday? On the other hand, on the first weekend of the college season, Oregon and LSU played what amounts to a NC contender knockout game.
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No, I'm saying the regular season would still matter even with a playoff system in place. No system is, nor will be perfect. But, imo, a playoff would be better than the bcs.
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bleedorange0037 said:
So a better system is one that allows a team like last years Green Bay Packers, who lost 6 times during the regular season, but then just happened to get hot at the right time, to be champions. The college football system rewards teams for being good from September through January, not just in January. As for teams like Boise and TCU, until they make the necessary moves to join a conference and play real competition on a WEEKLY basis, they can continue to enjoy being afterthoughts.
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This might be a valid argument if anyone was proposing that 37.5% of FBS schools should qualify for a playoff, but since literally no one is arguing anything even close, the analogy does not hold. A small playoff of 4-8 teams would, in fact, magnify the importance of many, many more regular season games since more teams would be vying for a spot to compete for a national championship.
 
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hallowed_hill said:
This might be a valid argument if anyone was proposing that 37.5% of FBS schools should qualify for a playoff, but since literally no one is arguing anything even close, the analogy does not hold. A small playoff of 4-8 teams would, in fact, magnify the importance of many, many more regular season games since more teams would be vying for a spot to compete for a national championship.
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Even with an 8 team playoff you open up the real possibility that teams with 2 losses would be included. In pretty much every year but one that I can remember (2007), no 2 loss teams deserves a shot at the NC.
 
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I hate the bcs but 4 super conferences with a bcs bowl and +1 game gives you an eight team playoff that maintains the integrity of the regular season.
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jhen713 said:
The talk is that we coud end up with 4 16 team super confrences. That would eliminate 2 of the 6 power confrences(if you consider the Big East a power confrence...). I don't see 2 confrences going away. At the same time I don't think there are 80 schools that are capable of competing at a high level. I would hope that it leads to a playoff. If each confrence has 2 divisions then let the 2 division leaders from each confrence enter a playoff for the championship and let the other teams that have their bowl games.
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4 divisions per conference
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IMO - As is the case with every BCS debate, the posters arguing in favor of a playoff are easily winning this debate.
 
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