If the SEC went to three permanent opponents

#26
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LT21 said:
Only issues I could see: LSU Florida rivalry game is removed. South Carolinas opponents seem pretty random. Maybe keep the Georgia South Carolina game somehow.
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At the end of making this, I had Miss St, South Carolina, Oklahoma, and Ole Miss. I just was completing the list at that point
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why are yall so scared of competition? I want Florida, Georgia, and Alabama every year. They can kick Vandy and Kentucky out of the SEC for all I care. Those 3 are our rivals not Vandy or Kentucky.
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Never said that’s what I’d want. I said that’s what they would do. Vandy Tennessee have more history than Tennessee Florida.
 
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No way the SEC and the other 15 teams sign off on Tennessee getting both UK and Vandy, the 2 worst SEC programs. Both have won less than a third of their conference games.

Vandy, Bama, and SCAR (somebody has to play SCAR and they consider Tennessee a rival)
 
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UTK said:
If they do none of this “trying to be fair”. Alabama has no business playing Kentucky every year lol. Do each schools biggest rivalries/longest lasting rivalries whatever works best overall. If that means Bama gets us, Auburn and LSU while we get Bama, Vandy and Kentucky. Oh well lmao. Plus Kentucky over Florida has nothing to do with being scared for me personally, it’s just a way longer tradition to kick Kentuckys ass every year than to play UF.
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Despite the history, I would rather play Florida than play Kentucky. I am excited for the Florida game now that we have started to beat them. Playing the best just brings up the intensity and makes the games more fun. For the Kentucky and Vanderbilt game, if we did not beat them by 2+tds, we usually didn’t play well.
 
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TN Volunteers. said:
Here is what I think the SEC schedule should look if we had three permanent opponents each year. I tried to make this keeping rivalries and trying to be fair to each team.
Alabama: Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky
Arkansas: Texas, LSU, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Vandy
Florida: Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, Missouri
Kentucky: Florida, Vandy, Alabama
LSU: Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss
Miss st: Ole Miss, South Carolina, Oklahoma
Missouri: Arkansas, Georgia, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Miss St, South Carolina
Oklahoma: Texas, South Carolina, Miss St
South Carolina: Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Miss St
Tennessee: Alabama, Florida, Vandy
Texas: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
Texas A&M: LSU, Texas, Missouri
Vandy: Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn
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I could see us getting stuck with Missouri. But in your list I would flip Ole Miss to Missouri in place of South Carolina. And replace Missouri with South Carolina for UGA.
 
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This is a fun exercise, but in a 16 team (or more) league, I don't see there being 3 permanents. First, the "new" teams don't have the same level of interest - does USC, OK, Mizzou, have the same level of interest in 3 permanents as UT and BAMA? Second, even with a 9 game schedule, which I don't think will be approved unless TV comes off some real money for every team to give up 1/2 a home game, you won't rotate through the full 16 teams often enough.
For the revenue, I think it's more likely that there will be broken into 4 divisions who play each year, one rival outside those divisions and then 3 opponents (one from each of the other divisions, then a 3 game playoff for the champ..... with each of the division champs getting into the NCAA playoffs.
 
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tennesseekilt said:
This!

Permanent games at this point are dumb and there's no need for it. Just set everybody to play everybody the same number of times over an X year period and call it a day. Why anyone would want to set ourselves up with the gauntlet of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama (or whatever) EVERY YEAR is beyond me. Making the playoffs is about wins/losses (mainly). Why make it harder than necessary? The goal is to make the playoffs, period, and see what happens beyond there. I know traditionalists won't like it, but that's the era we live in.

It's also basically the equivalent of wanting to play/schedule Notre Dame, Ohio State, AND Florida State in the same year. I get the desire to want to see marquee games, but at the same time we are hurting our chances to make the playoffs by purposefully setting up gauntlets others don't have to cross.
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I'd counter by saying, who cares about making the playoffs if we get the chance to play bama and florida and the rest of our rivals every year? The playoff assumes that all teams are created equal and that is not true. I'd much rather go 9-3 while playing the real who's who of cfb than go 11-1 with a B1G schedule...
 
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There are a few traditional rivalries amongst the original SEC members. The rest are manufactured. Tennessee has Alabama, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. B*** has Tennessee and Auburn. Auburn has B*** and Georgia. Georgia has Barn and Florida. Some members have OOC rivalries, e.g. Georgia vs GaTech, Kentucky vs L’ville, Florida vs FSU.
 
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Wireless1 said:
This is a fun exercise, but in a 16 team (or more) league, I don't see there being 3 permanents. First, the "new" teams don't have the same level of interest - does USC, OK, Mizzou, have the same level of interest in 3 permanents as UT and BAMA? Second, even with a 9 game schedule, which I don't think will be approved unless TV comes off some real money for every team to give up 1/2 a home game, you won't rotate through the full 16 teams often enough.
For the revenue, I think it's more likely that there will be broken into 4 divisions who play each year, one rival outside those divisions and then 3 opponents (one from each of the other divisions, then a 3 game playoff for the champ..... with each of the division champs getting into the NCAA playoffs.
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It's basically already been decided that if we go to 9 games, each team will have 3 permanents and the other 12 will be rotated 6 one year, the other 6 the next.
 
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GAVol said:
Permanent games made sense when it was a 10 team league and later when it had divisions. Now, they’re a relic. Just rotate the schedule and play everybody so SOS can have some parity.
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We're already losing much of what made CFB the greatest of all the sports. Take away the rivalries and you essentially take the soul out of college sports. If we aren't playing Alabama on the TSIO and Kentucky twice in hoops every year, you might as well just do away with conferences and make it like the pros, with East, West, and Central divisions, and a schedule promoting "parity".
 
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When they had initially agreed on the 9 game sched, it was my undstanding that our permanents were SCarolina, Vandy, and Bama.
I didn’t like it. I wanted Bama, Florida, and Vandy. Who knows how it will come back if they do indeed move to nine - I do recall that Saban wasn’t too happy about their 3 being Auburn, the Vols and LSU.
Also, Auburn had UGA, Bama, and LSU and there was some bitching there too- but everyone had a pretty tough lineup. Especially when there are six other conf games no one really getting too easy of a ride….
 
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Hulavol said:
When they had initially agreed on the 9 game sched, it was my understanding that our permanents were SCarolina, Vandy, and Bama.
I didn’t like it. I wanted Bama, Florida, and Vandy. Who knows how it will come back if they do indeed move to nine - I do recall that Saban wasn’t too happy about their 3 being Auburn, the Vols and LSU.
Also, Auburn had UGA, Bama, and LSU and there was some bitching there too- but everyone had a pretty tough lineup. Especially when there are six other conf games no one really getting too easy of a ride….
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That was just a rumor lol
 
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Make Bama, Florida and Georgia play each other every year and add TX, LSU or some other top team so they will beat each other up and knock each other out every year.
 
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UT97Vol said:
I could see us getting stuck with Missouri. But in your list I would flip Ole Miss to Missouri in place of South Carolina. And replace Missouri with South Carolina for UGA.
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As a west tenn man, I don't think I have ever said anything nice about ole piss and for historical context, Ole piss is are 4th most played team. People sleeping on history. We have played ole 11 more times at 65 than georgia and the lizards at 54. I want vandy, kentucky and the gumps but I wouldn't mind ole miss or the burn as well
 
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TN Volunteers. said:
Despite the history, I would rather play Florida than play Kentucky. I am excited for the Florida game now that we have started to beat them. Playing the best just brings up the intensity and makes the games more fun. For the Kentucky and Vanderbilt game, if we did not beat them by 2+tds, we usually didn’t play well.
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I’m not gonna be mad if it’s UF (and can understand why one would prefer it) over UK but it’s really just a debate between those two for sure. The other two should be locks in Vandy and Bama
 
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YankeeVol said:
That was just a rumor lol
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Here’s the direct quote on March 3rd, 2023:

“I've always been an advocate for playing more [conference] games,” Saban told Dellenger. “But if you play more games, I think you have to get the three fixed [opponents] right. They're giving us Tennessee, Auburn and LSU.“
 
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NighthawkVol said:
To preserve rivalries…one of the main reasons we love college football.
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Good point, except that if rivalries are the reason, then certain teams with more rivals are going to get the shaft when it comes to 3 permanents. AL comes to mind. They gonna for UT/AU/LSU on Bama every year? Heck no when GA is prob gonna get UF/VU/UK or the like.
 
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YankeeVol said:
FL wasn't/isn't a rivalry no more than GA is. Only since the 90's has either really been a "rivalry"
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while you’re correct, at least UF vs UT has felt like a rivalry at times in the 90s and early 2000s. though UFs streak and both programs going through some trash times really dampened it in the 2010s and beyond. But don’t feel like there’s that many times where UT and UGA have played top ranked matchups since the 90s. There’s been a handful but Just never had the same intensity to it at times. Does have some iconic moments from both sides though. I will say UF probably views us as their third most hated rival after UGA and FSU (hell maybe even 4th with LSU now as one of their main rivals) while I wouldn’t be surprised if UGA viewed us as second only behind UF. And while I get they have more history with Auburn, UGA fans for sure hate us more


At the end of the day, I bet the majority of vol fans will tell you they view UF as a bigger “rival” still. Vol fans that are in Georgia may say otherwise though lol
 
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