If This Is The End Of The Season What Grade Would You Give The 2019-2020 BasketVols?

What Grade Would You Give The 2019-2020 Tennessee Men's Basketball Team?

  • A+

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • A-

    Votes: 1 0.5%

  • A

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • B+

    Votes: 9 4.2%

  • B

    Votes: 36 17.0%

  • B-

    Votes: 50 23.6%

  • C+

    Votes: 62 29.2%

  • C

    Votes: 31 14.6%

  • C-

    Votes: 17 8.0%

  • D or F

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Total voters
    212
#26
#26
With a healthy Turner I thought 15-17. We didn’t have our best returning player, so I think 17 wins without the SECT is a pretty solid year.
 
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#27
#27
[Barnes should petition the ncaa for another year of eligabilty for his seniors, the coach at etsu is doing that QUOTE="Tennesseefan2019, post: 18061472, member: 76260"]If this is the end of the 2019-2020 season thanks to Coronavirus what grade would you give to the BasketVols? With the injuries and youth of the team I would give them a B-.[/QUOTE]
 
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#32
#32
i2amavol said:
4 Players from last year are making money doing the sport now, as I understand it. Two of them lefter early. One was the point guard, and was somewhat unexpected. One player was denied eligibility for half the season. It should have been a no-brainer to allow him to play from the get-go. Two or three of the freshman were injured for most or all of the pre-season. Our next in line point guard was limited in ability to perform, and eventually had to retire mid-season. We were forced to play several players who normally would have been brought along slowly.

We were really lucky to get Vescovi, but normally he would have been brought along slowly, not thrown into the fire.

Our new 7 footer obviously performed below expectations, but otherwise, I don't know what people would expect. Fulkerson performed above probably about 95% of people's expectations. Pons was SEC Defensive Player of the year, with record-tying (due to shortened season) blocks. Bowden struggled, but I think many of us expected as much, now that he became a focus...Freshmen everywhere. This was almost of mirror copy of Barnes' 2nd season here, with all the freshmen. We even beat Ky at Rupp!

I give a solid A. It wasn't perfect, but we persevered. About as successful as I could expect, under the circumstances. If this were Kentucky, I might deduct a letter grade for past recruiting, but this is Tennessee, and they recruited at the top level THIS YEAR. So, I stand by my grade.
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I hear you. The emergence of Fulky and Pons was unreal. Not making the tourney warrants a grade somewhere below A though, not that it matters now...
 
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#34
sechamp2012 said:
It's Senior as in JB and not Seniors. So somebody like Auburn that played 4 Seniors would love this. Will never happen, not even a rational idea.
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No doubt. I could definitely see for spring sports granting extra year accommodations but that’s going to affect incoming frosh class numbers unless they expand roster sizes for one year which I’d say they will probably do. As for b-ball it is what it is. Season is over.
 
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#35
#35
I keep reading on various sites that the ncaa is flirting with the idea of granting seniors one more year of eligibility in the wake of the tourney cancellations due to the coronavirus. So, I can't help but wonder if this would open the door for Lamonte to play for the Vols next season should he be fully recovered from the surgery to correct his shoulder problem. Or has he decided to never play again no matter the circumstances?
 
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#36
#36
volmainia2 said:
lamonte turner also
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Yep but I don't believe Lamonte would come back anyway he is in his 5th year and probably will play in Europe he actually looked like he was ready to move on IMO
Forbes could make this Sr. eligibility thing happen the way he changes his players yearly
through JC & transfer portal. Although it would never be considered logistically. by NCAA.
Where P5 use long relationships with HS players and a lot of time and money in recruiting
 
#37
#37
Special Ed said:
I keep reading on various sites that the ncaa is flirting with the idea of granting seniors one more year of eligibility in the wake of the tourney cancellations due to the coronavirus. So, I can't help but wonder if this would open the door for Lamonte to play for the Vols next season should he be fully recovered from the surgery to correct his shoulder problem. Or has he decided to never play again no matter the circumstances?
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I don't think it's something the NCAA is actively considering (yet) as much as it's an idea that some school officials have made a public recommendation of their own. That isn't to say that the NCAA won't give it more serious consideration, themselves, but as of now, this is more or less public outcry resulting from the unexpected and abrupt ending to the college careers of many kids.

The logistics of making an additional year of eligibility work, and also be fair for each program is daunting. How do you address scholarship limits? How do you address roster limitations? Do you allow all incoming freshmen to opt out of their LOI without penalty if their school returns a senior? Do you allow immediate transfers for underclassmen if their school returns a senior?

I can just see a hardship applied for that would ask for a waiver if a kid signed with a school with the understanding that he was walking into the opportunity to start at a position because the school he signed with graduated two seniors, there. Or a sophomore was in position to inherit a starting job after putting in two years, and all of a sudden, the kid he was supposed to replace instead returns has his eligibility clock paused while the sophomore becomes a junior and is still competing with him for playing time.

It is a slippery slope with many details to be worked out.
 
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#40
#40
Worse than I had hoped preseason.....one game better than I though “would” happen after Turners injury, but the one game was Kentucky....so it was a big one.
 
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#41
#41
My thing is if a definition of a “bad year” for us is 17-14 with a win against Kentucky at Rupp, 9-9 in the SEC when losing our 5 starters from the previous year, and having to retool mid season with a new really good player(Vescovi) then I think that means Barnes is doing something right. Watch out next season I think 25 wins or more is in the realm of possibility.
 
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#42
#42
CNeagleVolFan said:
My thing is if a definition of a “bad year” for us is 17-14 with a win against Kentucky at Rupp, 9-9 in the SEC when losing our 5 starters from the previous year, and having to retool mid season with a new really good player(Vescovi) then I think that means Barnes is doing something right. Watch out next season I think 25 wins or more is in the realm of possibility.
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I agree. If you look at this season in a vacuum, I think it was textbook mediocre. Not bad, not especially good. I'm with you; if that's a bad year, then that says a lot about our situation outside of the vacuum.
 
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#43
#43
CNeagleVolFan said:
My thing is if a definition of a “bad year” for us is 17-14 with a win against Kentucky at Rupp, 9-9 in the SEC when losing our 5 starters from the previous year, and having to retool mid season with a new really good player(Vescovi) then I think that means Barnes is doing something right. Watch out next season I think 25 wins or more is in the realm of possibility.
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I agree. If you look at this season in a vacuum, I think it was textbook mediocre. Not bad, not especially good. I'm with you; if that's a bad year, then that says a lot about our situation outside of the vacuum.
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AAAAAAAAAMEN.

Disappointing year this year, but with all things considered it's understandable. Extremely excited for the years ahead; the program is in fantastic shape for the future.
 
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#44
#44
I gave it a C-. I think if you asked me to take out the roster construction and asked for the coaching job I would give it a B, the players effort an A+, and the improvement of indidivual players a B-, but the roster construction an F. They had a winning season, so definitely not an F. If they had Turner and had this record, it would a D, but the Turner injury bumps up the overall grade to a C- for me. I think if Tennessee doesn't beat Kentucky more people would have a negative grade but since that was the 2nd to last game and they gave Auburn a tough game people think more positively on it. Next year should be a lot better.
 
#45
#45
zjcvols said:
I gave it a C-. I think if you asked me to take out the roster construction and asked for the coaching job I would give it a B, the players effort an A+, and the improvement of indidivual players a B-, but the roster construction an F. They had a winning season, so definitely not an F. If they had Turner and had this record, it would a D, but the Turner injury bumps up the overall grade to a C- for me. I think if Tennessee doesn't beat Kentucky more people would have a negative grade but since that was the 2nd to last game and they gave Auburn a tough game people think more positively on it. Next year should be a lot better.
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I gave it a C for a lot the same reasons you went with C-. Our one slight disagreement is with regards to the foresight of the roster management, but we are generally on the same page across the board, here.
 
#46
#46
cncchris33 said:
I gave it a C for a lot the same reasons you went with C-. Our one slight disagreement is with regards to the foresight of the roster management, but we are generally on the same page across the board, here.
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Some things Barnes could not plan for (Bone going pro, Uros being eligible in mid January) but overall he made a decision to kind of punt this year even before the year began thinking the two seniors and the player development would get them a tourney bid which after Turner's injury did not happen. He took Bailey knowing he wouldn't be eligible, he took Uros knowing there was a risk he wouldn't be eligible and signed three freshmen who would not be ready in year one. Hopefully it pays off down the line.
 
#47
#47
I kept going back and forth between a B and a B-, I settled on a B. We were not going to make the NCAA and that is a minus. We lost 4 of our top 5 from last years team and I really did not expect anything other than what we got. Why a B or B- because we lost Turner team leader and PG a few games into the season and still ended up where I figured we would. Two things that are positives. A coach should always recruit in case of unexpected problems and injuries and he did, Vescovi and James both had to step up with Turner gone and they both got better and were developed. Uros is a stiff but Pons and Fulk really blossomed. Bowden was troublesome as his game went into the crapper and Barnes could never seem to utilize and put him into position to succeed. I also thought we should of went a bit up tempo and shot more 3 pointers at times, but what do I know. Loss of turnover on his staff did not help things.

Around TN fans tend to talk about expectations and failure and I once again heard the old cry of middle or upper level mediocrity as a reason to criticize a team or staff. That attitude created the 15 years of pain surrounding the football program and earlier years of Basketball hell. So far Barnes has won with smoke mirrors and developing under valued players into future NBA players. When you lose as many players as he did from last year and your go to player early in the season this is what you get. I am sure we can fire Barnes and hire ANOTHER scum bag lying cheating fan favorite good radio for the "living fan" and return to BB hell if that is what we want
 
#48
#48
I kept going back and forth between a B and a B-, I settled on a B. We were not going to make the NCAA and that is a minus. We lost 4 of our top 5 from last years team and I really did not expect anything other than what we got. Why a B or B- because we lost Turner a team leader and PG a few games into the season and still ended up where I figured we would. Two things that are positives. A coach should always recruit in case of unexpected problems and injuries and he did, Vescovi and James both had to step up with Turner gone and they both got better and were developed. Uros is a stiff but Pons and Fulk really blossomed. Bowden was troublesome as his game went into the crapper and Barnes could never seem to utilize and put him into position to succeed. I also thought we should of went a bit up tempo and shot more 3 pointers at times, but what do I know. Turnover on his staff did not help things.

TN fans tend to talk about expectations and failure and I once again heard the old cry of middle or upper level mediocrity as a reason to criticize a team or staff. That attitude created the 15 years of pain surrounding the football program and earlier years of Basketball hell. So far Barnes has won with smoke mirrors and developing under valued players into future NBA players. When you lose as many players as he did from last year and your go to player early in the season this is what you get. I am sure we can fire Barnes and hire ANOTHER scum bag lying cheating fan favorite good radio for the "living fan" and return to BB hell if that is what we want
 
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