If you are an NBA GM would you take Damien James over Wayne Chism?

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volguess06 said:
Not sure why Magic Johnson is being brought up. But anyways, what have all of the players you listed at the top done in the NBA? Nothing. I am not saying Chism has to shoot 3's to be a successful NBA player. After watching the NBA finals, how can you possibly say that Chism could guard Glen Davis, Kevin Garnett, Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol? All of which play PF fully or at times. Im not hating on Wayne at all I love him as much as anyone.

Im just stating what I've read about him by scouts and experts, does that mean he can never be successful unless he does what the experts say to improve? Of course not. Im just saying he needs to become a better shooter and get quicker so that he can guard wings and use his physicality to guard bigs when needed.

I think he can do it personally, was just stating what I think he needs to do to be a relevant NBA player, I'd be willing to bet he agrees with me too.
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I brought up Magic Johnson because a 6'9 Magic Johnson playing PG has as much relevance to Chism as a 6'9 LeBron James playing wing -- in other words, none.

What the players I listed have done in the NBA is make a team, play minutes, and cash checks. That's what Chism desires to do as an initial goal.

How can I say Chism could guard Glenn Davis? Because he's done it before. He's also guarded Greg Oden, Al Thornton, and a lot of other very good post players. The point is that Chism can do as good a job of guarding Lamar Odom as Glenn Davis can and I'm betting he can do a lot better than Warrick and Amundson. Plus, Big Baby is a career sub-6 ppg player. Sheesh. Give me a hard one.

It isn't a credible argument that Wayne Chism can't play PF in the NBA because he isn't LeBron James or Kevin Garnett. Glen Davis and JJ Hickson aren't LeBron James either, but they play PF in the NBA.

You say he needs to become a better shooter (which is a legitimate point), but you say that right after comparing him unfavorably to Glen Davis, who is a terrible shooter.

I think Chism has weaknesses, but defense is not one of them. No doubt 2 more inches in height would make him a lock for a first round pick, but the fact remains that where he is physically right now compares favorably to a lot of PFs coming off the bench in the NBA. In fact, having guarded guys like Oden one day and David Lighty the next, I'd say Chism has shown as much defensive versatility as anyone his size.
 
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Wise-Vol said:
I brought up Magic Johnson because a 6'9 Magic Johnson playing PG has as much relevance to Chism as a 6'9 LeBron James playing wing -- in other words, none.

What the players I listed have done in the NBA is make a team, play minutes, and cash checks. That's what Chism desires to do as an initial goal.

How can I say Chism could guard Glenn Davis? Because he's done it before. He's also guarded Greg Oden, Al Thornton, and a lot of other very good post players. The point is that Chism can do as good a job of guarding Lamar Odom as Glenn Davis can and I'm betting he can do a lot better than Warrick and Amundson. Plus, Big Baby is a career sub-6 ppg player. Sheesh. Give me a hard one.

It isn't a credible argument that Wayne Chism can't play PF in the NBA because he isn't LeBron James or Kevin Garnett. Glen Davis and JJ Hickson aren't LeBron James either, but they play PF in the NBA.

You say he needs to become a better shooter (which is a legitimate point), but you say that right after comparing him unfavorably to Glen Davis, who is a terrible shooter.

I think Chism has weaknesses, but defense is not one of them. No doubt 2 more inches in height would make him a lock for a first round pick, but the fact remains that where he is physically right now compares favorably to a lot of PFs coming off the bench in the NBA. In fact, having guarded guys like Oden one day and David Lighty the next, I'd say Chism has shown as much defensive versatility as anyone his size.
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Greg Oden, DeMarcus Cousins, AJ Ogilvey, Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe, Randolph Morris, and Al Thornton.

These are the guys I was talking about that have done nothing in the NBA, except Thornton who I believe plays the wing. I agree with most of what youre saying. The only point I am trying to make is that I dont believe NBA teams are going to want him at PF, for whatever reason.

Thats why I was saying if he wants to be a relevant NBA player he needs to shoot better and get quicker, that's it.

Of course it only takes one team to take him at PF and he may prevail doing what he already does best, I hope so for his sake because he deserves it.
 
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volguess06 said:
He may play the PF position, but he is a tall SF in my opinion. Very little low post, 3 point shooter. Sounds like a SF to me. Thats the point I was making
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Not really. He has no handles and is much more suited to guard a 4 than a 3. That's probably why he plays the 4 in the NBA. Just because someone is a spot shooter doesn't mean that he's a 3. Just ask Rasheed Wallace.
 
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volguess06 said:
Greg Oden, DeMarcus Cousins, AJ Ogilvey, Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe, Randolph Morris, and Al Thornton.

These are the guys I was talking about that have done nothing in the NBA, except Thornton who I believe plays the wing. I agree with most of what youre saying. The only point I am trying to make is that I dont believe NBA teams are going to want him at PF, for whatever reason.

Thats why I was saying if he wants to be a relevant NBA player he needs to shoot better and get quicker, that's it.

Of course it only takes one team to take him at PF and he may prevail doing what he already does best, I hope so for his sake because he deserves it.
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Let's be fair -- the reason Cousins, Ogilvey, Aldrich, and Greg Monroe haven't done anything in the NBA is because they have never played in the NBA. Cousins, Aldrich, and Monroe are all expected to be picked in tonight's draft.

My bad on Thornton -- I meant Al Horford, not Al Thornton. Horford is a PF for Atlanta.

I find it odd that any "expert" would say Chism's path to the success in the NBA is as a wing. Chism is taller than Al-Farouq Amini and Raymar Morgan. Interestingly, Draft Express has Chism as a PF, but has Amini and Morgan as SFs.

BTW, at Portsmouth Chism was noted for his good low post defense and rebounding, but not his outside jump shot, which was inconsistent. Not bad if you hope to be an NBA PF -- bad if you are going to be a wing.
 
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volguess06 said:
Greg Oden, DeMarcus Cousins, AJ Ogilvey, Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe, Randolph Morris, and Al Thornton.

These are the guys I was talking about that have done nothing in the NBA, except Thornton who I believe plays the wing. I agree with most of what youre saying. The only point I am trying to make is that I dont believe NBA teams are going to want him at PF, for whatever reason.
Thats why I was saying if he wants to be a relevant NBA player he needs to shoot better and get quicker, that's it.

Of course it only takes one team to take him at PF and he may prevail doing what he already does best, I hope so for his sake because he deserves it.
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If this is true, then Chism won't be in the NBA. It's amazing to me that some of you all think that a guy that would have had no prayer playing wing in college can suddenly just transition to that position in the NBA. That simply is not going to happen.
 
#36
#36
lylsmorr said:
A 4 for the Magic is a 3 for everyone else. Especially since their offense is "Get it to the post, kickout for 3"
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I actually think that Lewis is better suited for the 4. But you are right. Lewis was a 3 with the Sonics.
 
#38
#38
volguess06 said:
Not sure why Magic Johnson is being brought up. But anyways, what have all of the players you listed at the top done in the NBA? Nothing. I am not saying Chism has to shoot 3's to be a successful NBA player. After watching the NBA finals, how can you possibly say that Chism could guard Glen Davis, Kevin Garnett, Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol? All of which play PF fully or at times. Im not hating on Wayne at all I love him as much as anyone.

Im just stating what I've read about him by scouts and experts, does that mean he can never be successful unless he does what the experts say to improve? Of course not. Im just saying he needs to become a better shooter and get quicker so that he can guard wings and use his physicality to guard bigs when needed.

I think he can do it personally, was just stating what I think he needs to do to be a relevant NBA player, I'd be willing to bet he agrees with me too.
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This is just stupid. Yea, it would be impossible for Chism to guard Glen Davis, so let's just move him to the wing where he can guard LeBron James, Carmello Anthony, Vince Carter, etc. That would be a great matchup for Chism.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
seriously? Dude's game is soft in the paint.
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He has no post game. I was thinking more along the lines of using him as a pick and pop guy like the Celtics use Wallace. He's definitely not going to be banging down low with people on offense. But I will say that his post defense isn't too bad.
 
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LawVol13 said:
He has no post game. I was thinking more along the lines of using him as a pick and pop guy like the Celtics use Wallace. He's definitely not going to be banging down low with people on offense. But I will say that his post defense isn't too bad.
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He's long, but uses it poorly, IMO. Magic made it real clear after one of the Eastern Conf Finals - dude is no max contract ballplayer. He is a very good shooter for a guy 6'10". I'm not sure what else is there. Big fellas in the post use him at will, although Howard behind him helps some.
 
#41
#41
BigPapaVol said:
He's long, but uses it poorly, IMO. Magic made it real clear after one of the Eastern Conf Finals - dude is no max contract ballplayer. He is a very good shooter for a guy 6'10". I'm not sure what else is there. Big fellas in the post use him at will, although Howard behind him helps some.
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He's getting a little older. I don't think he has a prayer of guarding the elite 3's in the League right now. He is Hopsonesque in his ball handling. To me, he is best utilized how the Magic use him. Let him spot up and shoot and guard the 4.
 
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#43
I can't find any second round mock drafts. If drafted, I thought he might go in the second. However, I really have no idea. Can anyone help me out? Any good links of second round mock drafts?:thumbsup:
 
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