If you could choose any players you wanted...

#26
#26
Starting rotation
1. B.Webb
2. D.Haren
3. C. Young
4. J. Verlander
5. J. Peavy

Rf Magglio Ordonez
1b Albert Pujols
2b Chase Utley
3b Mike Lowell
ss Alex Rodriguez
LF Ichiro Suzuki
CF Aaron Rowand
C R.Martin

Bench: Pudge, Jeter, J. Morneau, Vlad Guerrero, J.Reyes

Closers: Jenks, Cordero
 
#28
#28
Jmxvol said:
Yadier Molina is one of the best def. Cathers in baseball.... and he hits decent...that's all you need from a Catcher
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Why just get what you need instead of getting the best?

Do you really think Molina is the best catcher for your team? Out of all the catchers in the majors?
 
#29
#29
I don't think Derek Jeter is the best SS, but he's a leader

Molina is a leader and he's smart

knows how to play

That aren't that many catchers anyway

Varitek is overrated
Pudge is the best I guess
 
#30
#30
Jmxvol said:
I don't think Derek Jeter is the best SS, but he's a leader
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Day in, day out, that might be true. But his numbers don't lie, esp. those in the postseason. As much as I hate the Yankees and am sick of them outspending everyone, you have to acknowledge what Jeter has done and most likely would continue to do this postseason.
 
#31
#31
wbarron said:
He's in my "future" team, not the team for today. And other than moving players to new positions, name another more promising young 2B who's played any in the majors. He seems like a good choice to me.
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2 HR's off Schilling today
 
#32
#32
Jmxvol said:
I don't think Derek Jeter is the best SS, but he's a leader

Molina is a leader and he's smart

knows how to play

That aren't that many catchers anyway

Varitek is overrated
Pudge is the best I guess
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I already listed 6 better choices, but forgot McCann, so there's one more.
 
#33
#33
I'm a Braves fan, not a McCann fan.
God he is so overrated.
Can't throw anyone out....and then there's his once per game passed ball
 
#34
#34
this is "who would you choose" not "who's the best"

if you don't like my team....make your own that you think is better
 
#37
#37
Vercingetorix said:
Look up his putout totals over the course of his career.
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ridiculous stat

less balls could have been hit to CF...
Also,
there are better outfielders around Andruw now than in his early years

Watch the games and tell me he's lost a step
 
#38
#38
Jmxvol said:
ridiculous stat

less balls could have been hit to CF...
Also,
there are better outfielders around Andruw now than in his early years

Watch the games and tell me he's lost a step
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Andruw's lost way more than a step. Which is to be expected, of course; he's a dozen years older and probably 30 pounds heavier. He's still very good, of course, but he's just not the preternatural CF that he was when he first came up. He's getting to about 80-100 fewer balls a year than he used to. He's now having to jump for balls that he used to glide underneath, and balls that he used to jump for are now just rolling to the wall while he chases them.
 
#40
#40
Let's see. The Braves have played in Turner Field since before Andruw became a full-time CF. Francouer's been a regular for all of two years. Meanwhile, Andruw's putout totals since he took over the job in 1998 look like this:

1998 413
1999 493
2000 439
2001 461
2002 404
2003 390
2004 389
2005 365
2006 377

It's hard to express how good Andruw used to be -- 493 putouts in a year is just ridiculous. Mays never came close to that. But Andruw will never again come close to those same numbers himself. Look at any brilliant CF in history and you'll see that his best seasons were early in his career. Guys just don't have the same jump at 30 that they did at 22 or 23. It happens.
 
#41
#41
Especially coming up as a 19 year old rather than a 22-23 year old
 
#42
#42
There was a game (within the last month, I believe - Reds, maybe) where two balls got over Andruw's head. The announcers (I think Jeff Brantley was one of them) said they'd never seen that happen to him - never twice in the same game. And they weren't scorchers either. They were balls a younger Andruw would've caught with relative ease.

Looking at the next 5 or so years, he'll continue to play solid defense, but he'll be a .280 hitter at best. So unless he hits 40HR/130 RBI a year, he's not worth what people were projecting his salary would be at the beginning of this season.
 
#43
#43
from 98-06 it's dropped by only 36

the rest of them are up and down, which shows it's a random stat that means nothing....
he can't control how many balls are hit to CF

he had 12 more putouts in 2006 than in 2005
Did he gain a step in the last year?
 
#44
#44
Jmxvol said:
from 98-06 it's dropped by only 36

the rest of them are up and down, which shows it's a random stat that means nothing....
he can't control how many balls are hit to CF

he had 12 more putouts in 2006 than in 2005
Did he gain a step in the last year?
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It means nothing only if you don't know how to look at it. Year-to-year fluctuations have a great deal of noise built into them. Over time, however, that noise evens out into meaningful broad trends, and in the case of Andruw's putouts, that trend is a steady downward slope. He used to have over 400 putouts easily every year, and some years he would spike all the way up to 493 or 461 or something ridiculous like that. He hasn't come close to those kind of numbers in a long time.
 
#45
#45
wbarron said:
There was a game (within the last month, I believe - Reds, maybe) where two balls got over Andruw's head. The announcers (I think Jeff Brantley was one of them) said they'd never seen that happen to him - never twice in the same game. And they weren't scorchers either. They were balls a younger Andruw would've caught with relative ease.
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It happens all the time. He used to at least have a play on literally ANYTHING hit over his head unless it was out of the park, and now he has to chase a lot of those balls down while they roll to the wall. My wife has no idea what his statistics are, and it's obvious even to her that he's just not making as many plays as he used to. (e.g., "Why didn't he catch that? What's he doing out there?")

This is NOT a shot at Andruw, whom I still like a lot. He's still a very good centerfielder. But he's 30 years old now, and he's famously gained quite a bit of weight (which helps his home run numbers). Of course that's going to affect him out in the field.
 
#47
#47
VolinArizona said:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I deliberately let that one slide right by, figuring that that was a quasi-religious argument more than anything else.

To save a run a game as a fielder, you'd have to make about three plays per game that an average major-leaguer couldn't get to. Nobody's that good.
 
#48
#48
Exactly. When looking at RATE, from 2004-2007, Andruw Jones has been BELOW AVERAGE as a CF. He's been about 2 runs below average per 100 games over the last 4 seasons.
 
#49
#49
There is not yet an all-purpose fielding stat behind which I'm willing to throw my allegiance, and some are indeed skewed by the fact that Andruw now has somebody like Francouer out there next to him instead of stiffs like Brian Jordan and Gary Sheffield. I am not yet willing to say that he's below-average CF. He's still good; he's just not a freaking superman out there like he was when he was 23. Watching him play CF every day back then was something I expect to tell my son about.
 
#50
#50
Yeah, something happened to him post-2003, and his fielding dropped considerably. RATE isn't the end-all in fielding stats, but even RAR and RAA say he's average at best.
 
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