if you were president...

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#2
I would have in place a plan to withdraw, though I wouldn't have my VP out there giving the details.
 
#3
#3
I would pull our troops out quietly as soon as possible. I don't see any need to be there for 20+ years.
 
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#4
Yes. I would pull them out as quickly as possible and keep them out. Also, I would tell all the world that we are no longer their big brother and won't send troops to their aid when they get in a fight. If the middle east can't get along, we are staying out of it. Those people have been fighting for hundreds of years and no number of US troops is going to change that anytime soon. We need to keep our troops where they are needed and appreciated. They can patrol our borders and do what the immigration dept can't.
 
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#5
I would pull our troops out, although we must consider what our responsibility to the country is. After all, Reagan called the Taliban "the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers," and we could not tolerate the urbane and modernizing government of the "communist" Taraki and Karmal in 1978 - 1979 and supported Hafizullah Amin when he stabbed them in the back to invite the Russians into the country.

If we had supported the Taraki government - one openly for the people, but equally vocal non-communist - history would be a hell of a lot different.
 
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utgibbs said:
I would pull our troops out, although we must consider what our responsibility to the country is. After all, Reagan called the Taliban "the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers," and we could not tolerate the urbane and modernizing government of the "communist" Taraki and Karmal in 1978 - 1979 and supported Hafizullah Amin when he stabbed them in the back to invite the Russians into the country.

If we had supported the Taraki government - one openly for the people, but equally vocal non-communist - history would be a hell of a lot different.
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Are you claiming Taraki wasn't a communist?
 
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KB5252 said:
Are you claiming Taraki wasn't a communist?
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He said many times he and his government were not communist.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist...."
 
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utgibbs said:
He said many times he and his government were not communist.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist...."
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Oh, because he said he wasn't a communist that decides it then. Why then was he so cozy with known communists and even place them in his government and give them ambassador positions? Why would he make trips to Cuba and the Soviet Union? The guy was a communist just face it, nobody stabbed the guy in the back and allowed the soviets in.
 
#9
#9
I would change the rules of engagement to allow them to actually fight a war. On top of that I would tell allmedia outlets they were on their own and quit giving them security and harbor for them. No need in letting them scrutinize every decision made of there.
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utgibbs said:
He said many times he and his government were not communist.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist...."
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obama says he isn't left too.
 
#12
#12
I'd pull them and put them all at the border...the Canadian border. Tired of all the hosers.
 
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KB5252 said:
Oh, because he said he wasn't a communist that decides it then. Why then was he so cozy with known communists and even place them in his government and give them ambassador positions? Why would he make trips to Cuba and the Soviet Union? The guy was a communist just face it, nobody stabbed the guy in the back and allowed the soviets in.
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History, history, history.

Hafizullah invited the Soviets into the country. They promptly shot him, as he was a Taliban precursor, and they were very unhappy with the removal of Taraki.

Millions of Americans would flock to Cuba if allowed and buy Cuban products. Are they communists? Afghanistan shares a huge border with the Soviet.

Taraki was a modernizer, urbane, but still religious. He was certainly no Soviet communist. He certainly courted help from his large neighbor - what leader wouldn't?

Once in Kabul, the US then armed the very folks we are fighting now in order to inflict Vietnam on the Soviet. It recalls the final words from Bridge on the River Kwai....
 
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utgibbs said:
History, history, history.

Hafizullah invited the Soviets into the country. They promptly shot him, as he was a Taliban precursor, and they were very unhappy with the removal of Taraki.

Millions of Americans would flock to Cuba if allowed and buy Cuban products. Are they communists? Afghanistan shares a huge border with the Soviet.

Taraki was a modernizer, urbane, but still religious. He was certainly no Soviet communist. He certainly courted help from his large neighbor - what leader wouldn't?

Once in Kabul, the US then armed the very folks we are fighting now in order to inflict Vietnam on the Soviet. It recalls the final words from Bridge on the River Kwai....
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I ask once again since your response totally gleamed over the actual question, why would the leader of a country on the other side of the world visit an insignificant dot on the map (Cuba)? Why Cuba of all places? It seems to me the answer is quite obvious.

While he may not have been a "soviet" communist he was a communist as he implemented some very unpopular policies of centralized government (communist policies). This is one reason for the Afghani uprisings against him, they weren't initiated by communist they were in response to communist policy as I understand it.
 
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utgibbs said:
Obama is right of center. He is decidedly not Left.
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Sorry but this little gem removes all doubt of your break from reality. Obama is decidedly left of center and if there were ever a time when the term consensus applied it would be here.
 
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KB5252 said:
I ask once again since your response totally gleamed over the actual question, why would the leader of a country on the other side of the world visit an insignificant dot on the map (Cuba)? Why Cuba of all places? It seems to me the answer is quite obvious.

While he may not have been a "soviet" communist he was a communist as he implemented some very unpopular policies of centralized government (communist policies). This is one reason for the Afghani uprisings against him, they weren't initiated by communist they were in response to communist policy as I understand it.
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Taraki may have wanted an island vacation. Because he didn't spit on communists, does not make him one. He said he wasn't. There is plenty to suggest he was far removed from communism.

The "uprising" against him was the US backed pre-Taliban forces led by Hafizullah! They were a tiny minority, but evidently "the moral equivalent of the founding fathers..."

:facepalm: You may need to pooch punt. History, history, history.
 
#20
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utgibbs said:
Taraki may have wanted an island vacation. Because he didn't spit on communists, does not make him one. He said he wasn't. There is plenty to suggest he was far removed from communism.

The "uprising" against him was the US backed pre-Taliban forces led by Hafizullah! They were a tiny minority, but evidently "the moral equivalent of the founding fathers..."

:facepalm: You may need to pooch punt. History, history, history.
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Everything I have read about that time in Afghanistan is a little different from what you have read apparently. I am in no way well versed but have done some research into it. While I freely admit the sources I read may have been wrong I'd like to know where your information came from. I'd like to look into it for myself, any links or books you could direct me to?
 
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KB5252 said:
I ask once again since your response totally gleamed over the actual question, why would the leader of a country on the other side of the world visit an insignificant dot on the map (Cuba)? Why Cuba of all places? It seems to me the answer is quite obvious.

While he may not have been a "soviet" communist he was a communist as he implemented some very unpopular policies of centralized government (communist policies). This is one reason for the Afghani uprisings against him, they weren't initiated by communist they were in response to communist policy as I understand it.
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Same reason as Nelson Mandela??



KB5252 said:
Sorry but this little gem removes all doubt of your break from reality. Obama is decidedly left of center and if there were ever a time when the term consensus applied it would be here.
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Break??

Giblet has always placed home plate in left field.
 
#23
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KB5252 said:
Everything I have read about that time in Afghanistan is a little different from what you have read apparently. I am in no way well versed but have done some research into it. While I freely admit the sources I read may have been wrong I'd like to know where your information came from. I'd like to look into it for myself, any links or books you could direct me to?
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William Blum, "Killing Hope" although not the best written book is still regarded as the most important history of the CIA ever written. If it's any consolation, Carter at the behest of Z. Bryzevsky (I'm not looking up how to spell his name right now) initiated the ridiculous Afghanistan policy in 1978-79. Payback for Vietnam!

Obama is decidedly Right of Center. This is exactly how skewed the political sensibilities of the US are.
 
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