If you're a benchwarmer at Duke,...

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TennNC

TennNC

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...you must be really good at it.

The other night Duke played Albany at home. They won by 41. It never was close. 9 players for Duke played. How'd you like to be a kid who's busting his ass every day in practice and not get in a game like that one?
 
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Notverycrucial, you and I might be the only two posters on here who care about de-mystifying Duke and K.
 
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I actually know a guy who was a benchwarmer at Duke. He was recruited and offered a scholarship being told from the beginning that he was going to be a glorified sparring partner for Jason Williams. Coach K was up front about it during the whole process, and the kid has never regretted his decision.

For that he got a great education for free and the opportunity to suit up twice a week for one of the most storied programs in basketball. It isn't such a bad gig.
 
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Im a dukie. If your not good enough to be a star, I would take a great education at Duke and benchwarmers role any day of the week.
 
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cotton said:
I actually know a guy who was a benchwarmer at Duke. He was recruited and offered a scholarship being told from the beginning that he was going to be a glorified sparring partner for Jason Williams. Coach K was up front about it during the whole process, and the kid has never regretted his decision.

For that he got a great education for free and the opportunity to suit up twice a week for one of the most storied programs in basketball. It isn't such a bad gig.
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Pretty much sums up their defensive philosophy.
 
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who on earth really cares that Duke only played nine players?

I love how the Duke haters are constantly digging up gold mines with "Duke sucks, they only play nine players in blowouts." Big freaking deal. Get over yourself and give a good program respect.
 
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When a program gets the overwhelming amount of hype and coverage it does (which takes away from other programs), some (like me) feel it's necessary from time to time to demystify this idealistic program.

Do you think people should act the same toward Notre Dame football?
 
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at least Notre Dame sucks and no one cares about them anymore.

Any team that wins 20 games with the regularity Duke does and reaches the final four as often as they do gets hype and coverage. Duke hasn't reached the Final Four in quite some time and their "hype" has gone down considerably. I guess the Pats don't deserve their hype either.
 
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NCGatorBait said:
Dook has 8 burger boys...8...heck ..I think the water boy was even all state.:)
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It's amazing the level those prgrams are on....

UNC currently has 7 burger boys...and that's because 3-4 other burger boys there have left early over the past 4 years...

Heck...UT feels lucky to get one

Maybe Pearl can get us there some day
 
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volfanbill said:
at least Notre Dame sucks and no one cares about them anymore.

Any team that wins 20 games with the regularity Duke does and reaches the final four as often as they do gets hype and coverage. Duke hasn't reached the Final Four in quite some time and their "hype" has gone down considerably. I guess the Pats don't deserve their hype either.
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You're right - I wouldn't care if Duke weren't good. They're a great program and definitely deserve hype and attention.

But are they great enough to warrant far more coverage than every other program? Tell me, why does Florida not get all but one game on TV, 19 games on ESPN/ABC, and another 3 games on CBS? What about the 5 other teams that won a NC (for that matter, made a final 4) since Duke last won? What about the other programs that have more NCs all-time (like Kentucky and Indiana and UCLA and UNC)?
 
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because very few people watch florida. Even LG will admit that. UNC gets all kinds of hype. Where exactly are Kentucky and Indiana right now? If they were the prominent teams of this era, they would get more hype. UCLA is just starting to get back into the limelight. Duke arrived and hasn't left yet. Duke has a large fanbase all over the country and they garner ratings. Just like the Yankees do. It's been the same thing for decades. Back before cable and having games 7 nights a week on TV, you were subject to the Yankees for baseball and usually the Redskins for the NFL. It's just how it works. If Duke was to fall off the map (like they did in '95), they're ratings would tumble and they wouldn't be on TV as much.
 
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TennNC said:
You're right - I wouldn't care if Duke weren't good. They're a great program and definitely deserve hype and attention.

But are they great enough to warrant far more coverage than every other program? Tell me, why does Florida not get all but one game on TV, 19 games on ESPN/ABC, and another 3 games on CBS? What about the 5 other teams that won a NC (for that matter, made a final 4) since Duke last won? What about the other programs that have more NCs all-time (like Kentucky and Indiana and UCLA and UNC)?
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UF is down this year and the media realizes that, KY is terrible and IN, UCLA and UNC all have their share of games on national TV....This is nothing new with virtually every game they play being on ESPN....I honestly like it because I am Duke fan and I am not the only one either....Duke's national following is larger than any other school in America and that is why they are on every night....

Sorry to state the facts...
 
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volfanbill said:
because very few people watch florida. Even LG will admit that. UNC gets all kinds of hype. Where exactly are Kentucky and Indiana right now? If they were the prominent teams of this era, they would get more hype. UCLA is just starting to get back into the limelight. Duke arrived and hasn't left yet. Duke has a large fanbase all over the country and they garner ratings. Just like the Yankees do. It's been the same thing for decades. Back before cable and having games 7 nights a week on TV, you were subject to the Yankees for baseball and usually the Redskins for the NFL. It's just how it works. If Duke was to fall off the map (like they did in '95), they're ratings would tumble and they wouldn't be on TV as much.
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People don't watch UF b/c they don't get to see them. UF 's basketball attendance is far greater than Duke's. Duke oftentimes doesn't even sell out Cameron Indoor. And if they could sell the tickets, they'd build a bigger arena so they could make more $$.

Listen, I feel the same way about Duke as I do about ND and the Yanks. I hate the monopolization of the media. When's the last time the Yanks won it all? ND? The reason people like these teams is b/c that's all they get. They're force-fed Duke, NYY, ND, and it takes over at an impressionable age.

So why didn't Duke's coverage tumble in '95, or better yet, this year coming off a year in which they were ousted in the first round of the NCAAs?

They haven't made a final 4 in 6 years, yet they get far more coverage than any other team. Why do you think that's true?
 
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TennNC said:
People don't watch UF b/c they don't get to see them. UF 's basketball attendance is far greater than Duke's. Duke oftentimes doesn't even sell out Cameron Indoor. And if they could sell the tickets, they'd build a bigger arena so they could make more $$.

Listen, I feel the same way about Duke as I do about ND and the Yanks. I hate the monopolization of the media. When's the last time the Yanks won it all? ND? The reason people like these teams is b/c that's all they get. They're force-fed Duke, NYY, ND, and it takes over at an impressionable age.

So why didn't Duke's coverage tumble in '95, or better yet, this year coming off a year in which they were ousted in the first round of the NCAAs?

They haven't made a final 4 in 6 years, yet they get far more coverage than any other team. Why do you think that's true?
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Duke's coverage took a serious hit in '96. Also Duke doesn't have the fans in Durham. They're just everywhere else. Duke didn't tumble this year, because they were rebuilding last year and are expected to be much improved this year. They still put up the TV ratings. When UF is on ESPN, the ratings are simply not as high. It's that simple.
 
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VolfanMike said:
UF is down this year and the media realizes that, KY is terrible and IN, UCLA and UNC all have their share of games on national TV....This is nothing new with virtually every game they play being on ESPN....I honestly like it because I am Duke fan and I am not the only one either....Duke's national following is larger than any other school in America and that is why they are on every night....

Sorry to state the facts...
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What facts did you state? Find me another school that has that many games on ESPN/ABC (and CBS combined, if you want - it's 22 for Duke, btw, and there aren't any ESPNUs there either). Duke's relationship with ESPN is somewhat similar to that ND has with NBC.

Duke's national following is precisely because they are on every other night. If UT got that treatment, I'd be happy too. But I hope I'd realize it's not balanced.
 
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volfanbill said:
Duke's coverage took a serious hit in '96. Also Duke doesn't have the fans in Durham. They're just everywhere else. Duke didn't tumble this year, because they were rebuilding last year and are expected to be much improved this year. They still put up the TV ratings. When UF is on ESPN, the ratings are simply not as high. It's that simple.
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I'd bet a ton of money that Duke got more coverage in 96 after a disastrous season than Florida is getting this year after back-to-back NCs. I don't care that they're rebuilding either. They've won 2 NCs straight.

Ratings aren't that high b/c nobody knows who they are, b/c they didn't get the same coverage when they were winning two straight NCs - not b/c they're not good or exciting. Just like nobody knew Duke's players before K helped them ascend in the mid-80s. Florida should get the same treatment Duke did after its consecutive NCs in 91-92.
 
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no. The Nielson rating proves it. Florida wasn't even getting high ratings on CBS. They simply aren't that big of a draw, championships or not.
 
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TennNC said:
What facts did you state? Find me another school that has that many games on ESPN/ABC (and CBS combined, if you want - it's 22 for Duke, btw, and there aren't any ESPNUs there either). Duke's relationship with ESPN is somewhat similar to that ND has with NBC.

Duke's national following is precisely because they are on every other night. If UT got that treatment, I'd be happy too. But I hope I'd realize it's not balanced.
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In all fairness to Duke they have a hall of fame coach and soon to be gold medal Olympian....He's been to 10 final fours, 3 NC's....That's why they get more coverage, when K hang's it up the ratings will fall....IRT your comment about UT, to be honest TBA looks boring at times and ESPN is not in a love fest with the SEC the way they are with ACC.....Maybe if UT could go on a good run and get to a couple of FF's win a NC in the next few years I could def. see them getting more coverage....
 
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TennNC said:
I'd bet a ton of money that Duke got more coverage in 96 after a disastrous season than Florida is getting this year after back-to-back NCs. I don't care that they're rebuilding either. They've won 2 NCs straight.

Ratings aren't that high b/c nobody knows who they are, b/c they didn't get the same coverage when they were winning two straight NCs - not b/c they're not good or exciting. Just like nobody knew Duke's players before K helped them ascend in the mid-80s. Florida should get the same treatment Duke did after its consecutive NCs in 91-92.
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Sorry, but to me SEC basketball is boring...
 
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volfanbill said:
no. The Nielson rating proves it. Florida wasn't even getting high ratings on CBS. They simply aren't that big of a draw, championships or not.
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Again, b/c they didn't get any coverage. It's the same reason Boston-NYY gets higher ratings, b/c people see them ALL THE TIME and are familiar with them. Start showing more Angels games or Tigers games and the tide would turn.

I say TV coverage is the egg, you say it's the chicken.
 
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VolfanMike said:
Sorry, but to me SEC basketball is boring...
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That's fine. I don't disagree, esp. this year.

And I agree K is a great coach, but his recent history (last 10 years or so) is not that much better than about 6 other coaches (Donovan, Izzo, Howland, Williams - Gary and Roy). I just think he and his teams get too much coverage, and there are many, many fans who agree.
 
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TennNC said:
That's fine. I don't disagree, esp. this year.

And I agree K is a great coach, but his recent history (last 10 years or so) is not that much better than about 6 other coaches (Donovan, Izzo, Howland, Williams - Gary and Roy). I just think he and his teams get too much coverage, and there are many, many fans who agree.
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That's why I say when K retires that the ratings will shift....In the last 10 years he has one a NC and had some pretty good teams, hate to beat a dead horse but if a couple of players would have stuck around he probably would have won another (Brand, Maggettie, Deng)...
 
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