Illegals go free - 82 year old man may spend life in prison

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Hey LG! What's your take on this? Isn't Colorado one of your liberal paradises?
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Scott Storey should be shot on sight!!!

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Wrongly Jailed Grandmother Cleared, Wants Apology - Denver News Story - KMGH Denver

" I’m not going to apologize to Ms. Sommerville.”
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District Attorney's Office - Jefferson County, CO

(Boys club chapters must have an openly homosexual on staff to maintain their status.)

This is what happens when you put flaming maggots in positions of authority, their very basis of thought is perverted and it carries over into everything else.

Now we suppose to put one (Kagan) on the supreme court.

Not good!! :no:

This is like the English farmer who shot some burglars with bird shot and the governmet made sure he served more time than the burglars with the head of the home office saying; "we simply must do something to protect the lives of our burglars."

And for you guys who always vote Republican, this sorry POS is a republican.

Evidently this is one of the defense attorneys;

Pozner & Dodd - Larry Pozner

I picked this up from an anymous internet poster:

What makes me shudder, head to toe, is the fact that everyone involved in this fiasco, excepting the man and the two perps, boasts a college degree or more.

I used to think that education made people wiser, more rational,humble, more respectful of rights of property, more circumspect and devoted to truth. There has never been less humility, respect, devotion, reverence, reason, rationality than now.

This decadence took root when a university education was deemed a necessary right of passage and adolescents were culled out of their communities and installed within faux Georgian and Gothic compounds for four years of debauchery and propaganda. “Higher Ed” now the gatekeeper to the middle class as well as the upper managerial class. And, the only things being taught arrogance, contempt, and presumption.
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This makes more and more sense each day, you guys had a discussion on this in another thread.
 
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I don't understand. He was looking out the window and saw this and shot at them as they ran off, but they also almost ran him over?

My suspicion is that he originally claimed he ran outside and fired at them as they drove away. The law pretty much anywhere is that you can't shoot at thieves who are running away from you. Now he's saying they almost ran him over. If that were the case, they'd never have charged him in the first place.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't understand. He was looking out the window and saw this and shot at them as they ran off, but they also almost ran him over?

My suspicion is that he originally claimed he ran outside and fired at them as they drove away. The law pretty much anywhere is that you can't shoot at thieves who are running away from you. Now he's saying they almost ran him over. If that were the case, they'd never have charged him in the first place.
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and interpret that as meaning he saw them steal his trailer from out the window, then ran outside with his gun to confront them and almost got run over. Though the way the article is written the sequence of events is anyone's guess.

If things played out the way this man has claimed I would hope that a jury would not convict him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't understand. He was looking out the window and saw this and shot at them as they ran off, but they also almost ran him over?

My suspicion is that he originally claimed he ran outside and fired at them as they drove away. The law pretty much anywhere is that you can't shoot at thieves who are running away from you. Now he's saying they almost ran him over. If that were the case, they'd never have charged him in the first place.
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Regardless of his guilt - what about the obvious guilt and illegal nature of the guys stealing the trailer. At a minimum shouldn't they all be charged?
 
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volinbham said:
Regardless of his guilt - what about the obvious guilt and illegal nature of the guys stealing the trailer. At a minimum shouldn't they all be charged?
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They have to be legal for the law to apply to them.

Where have you been?
 
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volinbham said:
Regardless of his guilt - what about the obvious guilt and illegal nature of the guys stealing the trailer. At a minimum shouldn't they all be charged?
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Of course they should be charged. I was just talking about the guy that shot them. As I say, my guess is that he told the responding officers that he fired at them either from inside the house or just outside as they pulled away. Would be curious to see the incident report from the first-on-scene officers.
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lawgator1 said:
I don't understand. He was looking out the window and saw this and shot at them as they ran off, but they also almost ran him over?

My suspicion is that he originally claimed he ran outside and fired at them as they drove away. The law pretty much anywhere is that you can't shoot at thieves who are running away from you. Now he's saying they almost ran him over. If that were the case, they'd never have charged him in the first place.
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1. The wounded thief was shot in the face.

2. The other thief has admitted stealing the trailer but hasn't been charged and instead is under investigation.

3. The charges filed against the 82 man are an obvioius overreaction.

4. I'd say the DA has his head up his ass.

5. Where is the justice??
 
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My guess is the old man was in front of the vehicle if he shot the guy in the face? Is it considered fleeing when they are leaving with stolen property?
 
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Since the guy was shot in the face it would make sense if he was in front of the vehicle. It was his property, he was trying to protect it by standing in front of the vehicle. If the thief's tried to gun it to get away while he was in front I think he would have every right to fire his weapon in self defense, at least that's how I see it in my eyes. We must have laws that protect the law abiding citizens, not crooks.
 
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KB5252 said:
Since the guy was shot in the face it would make sense if he was in front of the vehicle. It was his property, he was trying to protect it by standing in front of the vehicle. If the thief's tried to gun it to get away while he was in front I think he would have every right to fire his weapon in self defense, at least that's how I see it in my eyes. We must have laws that protect the law abiding citizens, not crooks.
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Agreed. If, however, he chased after them and fired at them, then he can be prosecuted. Either way, there is not excuse for the perps not being charged with the theft.
 
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MontereyVol said:
My guess is the old man was in front of the vehicle if he shot the guy in the face? Is it considered fleeing when they are leaving with stolen property?
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These guys will be back in Mexico by the time the DA tries to have them arrested.

Trying to run over someone should be an automatic charge of attempted vehicular homicide plus he admitted to grand larceny, that's two felonies minimum, not counting their illegal status.

OTOH the 82-year-old Robert Wallace who said he fired two shots at the two men when they tried to run him over while stealing his flatbed trailer, now faces twelve felony counts, including four counts of attempted first degree murder, for what he described as an act of defending his property and his life. If convicted, he could spend the rest of his life in prison.

One of the thieves, Damacio Torres later admitted to the theft. He and his partner in crime, Alvara Cardano both have prior arrest records and are believed to be in the country illegally.

Damacio Torres, is suspected of being a part of a major car theft ring.

But they are not facing any charges.

Evidently Alvara Cardano is planning to sue Wallace for shooting him.

Wallace does have his trailer back but no word on whether anything that may have been on the trailer has been recovered or not.
 
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J-P said:
Agreed. If, however, he chased after them and fired at them, then he can be prosecuted. Either way, there is not excuse for the perps not being charged with the theft.
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I agree, if he chased them down for vigilante justice then he broke the law. If he tried to prevent a crime and during the process those committing the crime gave him any reason to fear bodily harm then he was within his rights.
 
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J-P said:
Agreed. If, however, he chased after them and fired at them, then he can be prosecuted. Either way, there is not excuse for the perps not being charged with the theft.
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I will have to hear more about what happened. He could have shot the one dirtbag as they were fleeing, and he turned around and was looking behind at the guy with the gun. They should also be charges with a crime.
 
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J-P said:
Agreed. If, however, he chased after them and fired at them, then he can be prosecuted. Either way, there is not excuse for the perps not being charged with the theft.
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Whatever happened to citizen's arrest??

The real criminal in the equation is a liberal DA with his head up his rear.
 
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The U.S. government needs to quit bending over for Mexico. The republicans want the cheap labor and the dems want the votes so we're in a no win situation.
 
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What's missing is discussion of what the man said when police first got there, or maybe even on 911 tape. My suspicion remains that, without thinking about it, he admitted that he shot them as they were on their way out, and not coming at him. Otherwise there'd be no sense in the prosecution.
 
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