Illegial Immigrants....

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The one thing i hate is the "they do jobs Americans won't do"...this is saying that Americans are unwilling to bust ass doing construction and such, as i do that for an average wage (round-about 40k a year). however, the few Mexicans i have dealt with have impressed me alot with their timeliness and work ethic.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
The one thing i hate is the "they do jobs Americans won't do"...this is saying that Americans are unwilling to bust ass doing construction and such, as i do that for an average wage (round-about 40k a year). however, the few Mexicans i have dealt with have impressed me alot with their timeliness and work ethic.
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I say, if you pay them, don't pay them less. Pay them the same as you would an American. :eek:hmy:
 
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volinbham said:
Guest worker program
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They are not even in this country legally, so why let them work??? Too many businesses have gotten away with this crap of hiring them. Hey if they want to cut my grass for a living that's fine, but do it legally. How many of you think you would not get shot if you tried to cross into Mexico illegally?? They will shoot you, but no one is trying to cross their border illegally. Its like this, you gonna just let someone come into your home and live and not pay rent or clean-up after themselves and you don't know them?? I don't think so. Also there is more at stake here than just the jobs. The health of our children and minorities that are here legally are in trouble too. Tuberculosis cases are rising dramatically in certain areas of the country and if these people aren't immunized correctly and documented then they might pass it on to your kids and it might kill them. TB is curable but its a pain in your backside if you get it.
 
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"Why let them work?" The right to work is as basic a human right as there is. If they wish to complete a task for less money, then that is who I would hire if I were running a business. I could care less about what would happen if I crossed in to Mexico, because I have not read a single word of Mexico's basic document concerning the government of Mexico. I have read the Constitution though. It seems to me that it is unconstitutional to have a minimum wage. It also seems unconstitutional, and down right anti-liberty and anti-free-market, to have closed borders or immigration quotas. Maybe that is just the non-rascist in me...
 
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therealUT said:
"Why let them work?" The right to work is as basic a human right as there is. If they wish to complete a task for less money, then that is who I would hire if I were running a business. I could care less about what would happen if I crossed in to Mexico, because I have not read a single word of Mexico's basic document concerning the government of Mexico. I have read the Constitution though. It seems to me that it is unconstitutional to have a minimum wage. It also seems unconstitutional, and down right anti-liberty and anti-free-market, to have closed borders or immigration quotas. Maybe that is just the non-rascist in me...
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This is not a racist issue. This is they are taking money from the tax payers issue. Illegal immigrants cost the tax payers billions of dollars no matter how you cut it. Also they like to steal identities to get things here in this country. Believe it or not they steal the identities of other hispanics in this country and use their ID's for Welfare and other government programs. They are also given preferential treatment because they are a minority, so if we speak up about things we are being politically incorrect. Our country is a great country, but it can't let them have amnesty or a guest worker program.

Ok here is another way to look at it. If we do give them amnesty, how do we know who is illgeal and legal??? You can't tell me we know who is and who isn't. Also, then do we COMPLETELY close the border?? WE should if that's what we do.

I don't know if its been discussed here but there is something that ALL Americans should know about. If you don't know about the SPP and how it affects you then read this...

StopSPP.org - Connecting The Dots

Coming Through! The NAFTA Super Highway

North American Union to Replace the USA? by Jerome R. Corsi - HUMAN EVENTS

You can read and believe what you want, but we NEED to know the truth about what is going on in Washington. Some of this may or may not be true, but you have to wonder why Bush favors amnesty.
 
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i'm with you Eric big time. What about all the immigrants who came to America legally? Why should we reward people breaking the law when there are many who have done it the right way. And speaking of people having rights, when you break the law and are here illegally you have no rights. How can you have rights in a country that you technically don't exist in?

If we let all these people in, white black, red or pink we will become a third world country. With all due respect I don't want to live in Mexico and by the looks of it I will be living in Mexico in the next thirty years.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
This is not a racist issue. This is they are taking money from the tax payers issue. Illegal immigrants cost the tax payers billions of dollars no matter how you cut it. Also they like to steal identities to get things here in this country. Believe it or not they steal the identities of other hispanics in this country and use their ID's for Welfare and other government programs. They are also given preferential treatment because they are a minority, so if we speak up about things we are being politically incorrect. Our country is a great country, but it can't let them have amnesty or a guest worker program.

Ok here is another way to look at it. If we do give them amnesty, how do we know who is illgeal and legal??? You can't tell me we know who is and who isn't. Also, then do we COMPLETELY close the border?? WE should if that's what we do.


I don't know if its been discussed here but there is something that ALL Americans should know about. If you don't know about the SPP and how it affects you then read this...

StopSPP.org - Connecting The Dots

Coming Through! The NAFTA Super Highway

North American Union to Replace the USA? by Jerome R. Corsi - HUMAN EVENTS

You can read and believe what you want, but we NEED to know the truth about what is going on in Washington. Some of this may or may not be true, but you have to wonder why Bush favors amnesty.
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I am going to say what I always say when it comes to this. If you want to kick all of the illegal immigrants out of this country, that is fine, as soon as someone gives the Native Americans back all the land the white Europeans stole from them and in turn ships us all back to Europe.

Edit: And for the record, plenty of illegal immigrants pay taxes.
 
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emainvol said:
I am going to say what I always say when it comes to this. If you want to kick all of the illegal immigrants out of this country, that is fine, as soon as someone gives the Native Americans back all the land the white Europeans stole from them and in turn ships us all back to Europe.
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The key difference is that we made ourselves legal...:dance2:
 
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Any illegal immigrant that receives a paycheck in the US pays taxes. What is the difference??? They receive no tax refund. In other words, they pay more taxes than those who earn the same amount they do.

The whole drain on the economy argument is not only trite it is down right wrong! Also, they are not criminals because by and large there is no victim in their actions. There are plenty of benificiaries though (think consumers and shareholders.) Again, as I pointed out before. For all you need to know, search the archives for immigration.
 
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therealUT said:
Any illegal immigrant that receives a paycheck in the US pays taxes. What is the difference??? They receive no tax refund. In other words, they pay more taxes than those who earn the same amount they do.

The whole drain on the economy argument is not only trite it is down right wrong! Also, they are not criminals because by and large there is no victim in their actions. There are plenty of benificiaries though (think consumers and shareholders.) Again, as I pointed out before. For all you need to know, search the archives for immigration.
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The language barrier is the problem. If the illegal immigrants spoke perfect english this would not be a problem.

Let them work, the majority of the people just stash the money up before returning home. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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I fail to see why their inability to speak English plays a part in this discussion. Having taken a couple trips in Bayou territory, I believe I have a much easier time understanding Mexicans than some who speak their own brand of English.
 
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justingroves said:
The language barrier is the problem. If the illegal immigrants spoke perfect english this would not be a problem.

Let them work, the majority of the people just stash the money up before returning home. Nothing wrong with that.
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there are a lot of countries that have more than one official language.
 
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guest worker and amnesty for all who apply. Bush and I actually have some common agreements on the issue. For the ones who are on the bandwagon to round them up and prosecute them, make sure you prosecute those evil Americans cheating the rest of us by hiring them. God knows you don't want to give those people amnesty.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
This is not a racist issue. This is they are taking money from the tax payers issue. Illegal immigrants cost the tax payers billions of dollars no matter how you cut it.
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Actually it is Americans who are denying the tax money. Employers collect taxes. If you run your own business you know that the employer has to collect the money and send it in to the state and federal agencies. Where is your outcry for those patriotic Americans who are cheating you? Nothing about them now is there?
 
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therealUT said:
I fail to see why their inability to speak English plays a part in this discussion. Having taken a couple trips in Bayou territory, I believe I have a much easier time understanding Mexicans than some who speak their own brand of English.
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What I was saying is that nobody would give a rat's ass who was over here as long as they spoke English.
 
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What do you do with their children that were born here and are legal American citizens....deport them also, or separate the family?
 
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I disagree with the policy in the 1st place that children born here to illegal immigrants are legal citizens, why should taxpayers foot the bill because their parents came in like rats through a fence? Their parents are here illegally, came here intending to squeeze the taxpayers so If their parents get deported they go with them just like luggage.
 
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