Illegial Immigrants....

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I'm a parent as well and I did'nt choose to run across a border like my arse was ablaze with the intention of stealing from a system. No these children aren't to blame but their parents are, IMO how can you get something legal from a illegal act, and the responsibility for their kids welfare is theirs, not the taxpayers.
 
#28
#28
It is a complicated issue. I do understand your point. Some people have kids in the U.S. in hopes of obtaining their citizenship. My wife is not a U.S. citizen, but my son is due to his father being a citizen. Should they be separated for a lengthy period of time while we wait for her immigration to go through? My wife would be an asset to the U.S.. She speaks 3 languages and is a very good mother. With all the crap I need to go through to get her in the U.S., I can understand why some people chose a quicker route.
 
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dan4vols said:
I'm a parent as well and I did'nt choose to run across a border like my arse was ablaze with the intention of stealing from a system. No these children aren't to blame but their parents are, IMO how can you get something legal from a illegal act, and the responsibility for their kids welfare is theirs, not the taxpayers.
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You were blessed by being born in a nation with so many opportunities. Why are you so hell bent on keeping others from the opportunities which you in absolutely no way earned?
 
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therealUT said:
You were blessed by being born in a nation with so many opportunities. Why are you so hell bent on keeping others from the opportunities which you in absolutely no way earned?
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They have every right to earn opportunities in their home country or by arriving here legally.
 
#31
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I just think we should be a little more compassionate here. I had a Venezuelan friend that just went through immigration at the Miami airport to go to a training class in the U.S.. Really great Guy! Anyway, he was ask at the immigration desk how much he weighed. He told them 90 Kilograms. The office then said, " No, how much do you weigh in pounds?" My friend did not know. Then the officer ask, " How tall are you?". My friend told him 1. 6 meters. Again, the office wanted to know in feet & inches. He was told to sit down and shut up. ...for 3 hours! Anytime he ask why he was being detained they told him to sit down and shut up. The ironic thing about this was the officer barely spoke English(My friend seem to think he was Cuban) with probably no more than a high school education,....basically enjoying his power over this professional which he otherwise could never have. After 3 hours, he was told he could go..never an explanation offered. This is not an isolated incidence. After living overseas for 9 years, I have heard numerous people tell me how arrogant we are. My numerous visits to U.S. embassies would tend to make me agree. America you have always been know as compassionate coutry, Don't change that.....

PS. 90 % of the world is on the metric system. but how many Americans know their weight and height using it? Give me a break...

Sorry, I am on soapbox here.....
 
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therealUT said:
You were blessed by being born in a nation with so many opportunities. Why are you so hell bent on keeping others from the opportunities which you in absolutely no way earned?
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Because I was born here, illegal aliens aren't. Those who come into the country by legal means I have no problem with, those that seek an opportunity for a better life fine. But those who come here illegally suck the taxpayers dry like a black hole of need.
 
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#33
Let's look at this whole 'illegal' definition. What defines this act of crossing an imaginary line as some sort of illegal act many might as well equate with the death penalty?

Can anyone honestly tell me when the nation actively had a formal law saying anyone not 'authorized' and recognized by the Federal government was illegal? Do you realize how many of us are actually descended from 'unauthorized' arrivals?
 
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#35
For all you let them pay taxes people, for every dollar that the illegals pay they collect three dollars in government aid. To tell me they pay taxes is hypocritical because they ALL don't pay taxes AND those who don't still collect from the government. This is one of the biggest problems. We have ENOUGH dead beats collecting from the system, so why do we need more??? If someone advertised "Come here and get FREE MONEY" wouldn't you go there?? Our country is growing TOO liberal and we will be our own demise if we don't get smart REAL quick.

Here's a very good commentary by Paul Harvey that should catch your ear. Its on Page three and the marker is 11:48 to I think around 13:00. Its all good as far as commentary, so listen to it all if you want too.

http://www.paulharvey.com/wma/thursdaypm.asx
 
#36
#36
I'm all for stemming the flow, but the one's here aren't leaving, so they need to pay taxes.

We also need to put an excise tax, on wire transfers back to Mexico..
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
For all you let them pay taxes people, for every dollar that the illegals pay they collect three dollars in government aid. To tell me they pay taxes is hypocritical because they ALL don't pay taxes AND those who don't still collect from the government. This is one of the biggest problems. We have ENOUGH dead beats collecting from the system, so why do we need more??? If someone advertised "Come here and get FREE MONEY" wouldn't you go there?? Our country is growing TOO liberal and we will be our own demise if we don't get smart REAL quick.

Here's a very good commentary by Paul Harvey that should catch your ear. Its on Page three and the marker is 11:48 to I think around 13:00. Its all good as far as commentary, so listen to it all if you want too.

http://www.paulharvey.com/wma/thursdaypm.asx
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man, where do you get your information? i mean you can give me links to paul harvey all day but where did everything else come from?

the simple fact is, our economy would roll over and die if all the illegals left tomorrow, it doesn't take a genius to know what the effect of 8 million workers leaving the country would do to businesses. all of the sudden the only way to fill the positions left by people who were here illegally would be to increase wages at those jobs. do you know what happens when all of the sudden 8 million workers leave and the only way to fill their positions is to offer higher wages?
 
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emainvol said:
man, where do you get your information? i mean you can give me links to paul harvey all day but where did everything else come from?

the simple fact is, our economy would roll over and die if all the illegals left tomorrow, it doesn't take a genius to know what the effect of 8 million workers leaving the country would do to businesses. all of the sudden the only way to fill the positions left by people who were here illegally would be to increase wages at those jobs. do you know what happens when all of the sudden 8 million workers leave and the only way to fill their positions is to offer higher wages?
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We were fine before they got here, so why would anything be different??? BTW, the recent legislation to bring minimum wage to $7.25/hour from $5.15/hour will hurt the economy more than even if ALL of the illegals left at the same time. See we would have people to REPLACE them if they all left, so that would take unemployment down more than it is and it would stimulate the economy and ensure that true capitalism holds true. As for your question to where I get my information, here you go its not hard to find...

Low-skilled aliens exact a burden - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We were fine before they got here, so why would anything be different??? BTW, the recent legislation to bring minimum wage to $7.25/hour from $5.15/hour will hurt the economy more than even if ALL of the illegals left at the same time. See we would have people to REPLACE them if they all left, so that would take unemployment down more than it is and it would stimulate the economy and ensure that true capitalism holds true. As for your question to where I get my information, here you go its not hard to find...

Low-skilled aliens exact a burden*-*Nation/Politics*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
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The increase in the minimum wage will increase the demand for "undocumented labor." If you are really concerned with pushing these people (who contribute greatly to our economic prosperity) out of jobs and out of "your country" (because you worked so hard to earn it), then your approach should be in pushing your elected officials to completely repeal the Federal Minimum Wage. Anything less is going to lead to drastic economic efficiency in this country.
 
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therealUT said:
The increase in the minimum wage will increase the demand for "undocumented labor." If you are really concerned with pushing these people (who contribute greatly to our economic prosperity) out of jobs and out of "your country" (because you worked so hard to earn it), then your approach should be in pushing your elected officials to completely repeal the Federal Minimum Wage. Anything less is going to lead to drastic economic efficiency in this country.
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No the raise in minimum wage will hurt the "small business" community, and if they go through with the immigration reform and make them ALL legal then their pay goes up as well and they still remain on government programs which tax us more and more. Do we really need to go on with this or will someone wake up our government and get these people back across the border so our country can get back to taking care of its own instead of trying to put us in a GLOBAL market. This country shouldn't be accepting every uneducated person that comes across the border IMO, because they don't have very much to contribute to society. If all the AMERICAN'S would get off of their butts and get off some of the government programs so they can stay home and watch "Springer" AND get a job, we would have a much better country. Instead we have a bunch of lazy people who aren't college educated but think they went to Yale and deserve to be paid $40,000 a year because of the 90's economic boom. This country has no spine sometimes IMO and until the people GET a spine again we will start sinking more and more from within.
 
#41
#41
So, you answer to fixing American laziness and sense of entitlement is to get rid of wage competition, in turn making coorporations either ex-Pat or raise their wages to attract these same people who are sitting around waiting for someone to offer them $40,000 to complete menial tasks...

Interesting.
 
#42
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therealUT said:
So, you answer to fixing American laziness and sense of entitlement is to get rid of wage competition, in turn making coorporations either ex-Pat or raise their wages to attract these same people who are sitting around waiting for someone to offer them $40,000 to complete menial tasks...

Interesting.
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Where did I say get rid of wage competition or have businesses raise their wages to get people OFF of their couches??? If you actually read what I say instead of scanning words, I am calling the Lazy-Americans out to get off of their butts and do something to GET the jobs back the illegals are doing for a cheaper wage therefore undermining the TRUE sense of capitalism. If they would accept that working at McDonald's is actually a $6.00/hour job and not supposed to be a $10/hour job then we would get somewhere.
 
#43
#43
I understand what you said. However, the implications of kicking out the illegal aliens that are working here will undoubtedly raise wages for bottom of the barrel jobs. Businesses will have to compete for labor, hence another wage increase, therefore, lazy Americans will take jobs at much higher wages than the value of the work. This will be enforced by our tax dollars being spent to protect these overpaid laborers by keeping our borders sealed.

The solution to the 'Mexican Invasion' is simple. Repeal the Federal Minimum Wage and any and all forms of federally funded welfare. Americans will be forced to work (or die) and compete for wages. Eventually, the allure of jobs for Mexicans will vanish, as there will be no advantage for a company to hire 'undocumented' work.
 
#44
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Where did I say get rid of wage competition or have businesses raise their wages to get people OFF of their couches??? If you actually read what I say instead of scanning words, I am calling the Lazy-Americans out to get off of their butts and do something to GET the jobs back the illegals are doing for a cheaper wage therefore undermining the TRUE sense of capitalism. If they would accept that working at McDonald's is actually a $6.00/hour job and not supposed to be a $10/hour job then we would get somewhere.
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Agreed about the McDonald's part
 
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therealUT said:
I understand what you said. However, the implications of kicking out the illegal aliens that are working here will undoubtedly raise wages for bottom of the barrel jobs. Businesses will have to compete for labor, hence another wage increase, therefore, lazy Americans will take jobs at much higher wages than the value of the work. This will be enforced by our tax dollars being spent to protect these overpaid laborers by keeping our borders sealed.

The solution to the 'Mexican Invasion' is simple. Repeal the Federal Minimum Wage and any and all forms of federally funded welfare. Americans will be forced to work (or die) and compete for wages. Eventually, the allure of jobs for Mexicans will vanish, as there will be no advantage for a company to hire 'undocumented' work.
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Exactly, DEMAGNETIZE America. Send the business owners a message by fining them $100,000 if they hire Illegal Aliens and sending the owners to jail for a couple of years. That will get everything started down the right path, but they will have to ENFORCE the laws they make which is not the strong suit of our government.
 
#46
#46
I don't think business owners, in a free market economy, should be punished for ignoring a Socialist Mandate (Federal Minimum Wage.)
 
#47
#47
True, but you have to set a limit because the bad parts of capitalism come out if you don't. The "Love" of money is the root of ALL evil is my point.
 
#48
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
True, but you have to set a limit because the bad parts of capitalism come out if you don't. The "Love" of money is the root of ALL evil is my point.
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illegal immigration is not a religious issue, so i will ignore your last statement.

For all you let them pay taxes people, for every dollar that the illegals pay they collect three dollars in government aid.
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this however i will not ignore.

let's explore the link you provided to quickly debunk the above statement, shall we?
Low-skilled aliens exact a burden*-*Nation/Politics*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
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The Heritage Foundation report calculates that for every $1 unskilled workers pay in taxes they receive about $3 in government benefits, including Medicaid, food stamps, public housing and other welfare programs.
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and...

The report on low-skilled workers, who are defined as those without a high school diploma, did not focus on immigrants,
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the report does go on to say that 50 percent of illegals fall into the low-skilled workers category, but, that leaves 50 percent that doesn't. there are also a good deal of American naturals, 9 percent, that fall into the same category.

thank you for making it so easy to understand.
 
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therealUT said:
I don't think business owners, in a free market economy, should be punished for ignoring a Socialist Mandate (Federal Minimum Wage.)
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I disagree. Anyone I've spoken with this who hires illegals does this more to escape filing tax, FICA, etc. than the wage issue. Typically the wages of illegals are no different than those in the same position legally, sometimes even higher. But this puts them outside the paperwork, etc. that comes from the tax and entitlement system. So punishment would come from the IRS and SSA if anything.
 
#50
#50
You don't have to pay workman's comp to guys that can't pass drug tests. How is that different than hiring illegals to not pay taxes on?
 
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