Im In Withdrawals, I Need Help

[OldVol]

I love capitalism. Most of the institutions I attack are antagonistic to market principles. The NCAA, to choose one of my favorite targets, doesn't allow those creating the commodity to share in the profits of the enterprise. When Adrian Peterson starts getting his cut of the jerseys he makes marketable through his exploits, I'll quit blasting the 'AA. Now, if you want to plan some guerilla action against the Gestapo heaquarters in Indy, I'm in.

They're just playing according to the "Rules and Order."

No one is forced to participate. It's not slavery.

Complaining about it is like taking a job, agreeing on the pay, then griping somewhere down the road. If you don't like it, take a hike.

 

[hatvol96]

They're just playing according to the "Rules and Order."

No one is forced to participate. It's not slavery.

Complaining about it is like taking a job, agreeing on the pay, then griping somewhere down the road. If you don't like it, take a hike.

Hopefully, as athletes become more and more aware of the financial hammer they wield, that's exactly what they'll do. The best idea I ever heard was that the Fab 5 considered refusing to start the NCAA title game until reforms were made that cut the athletes into the financial largess. My dream would be a Miami-Oklahoma BCS Championship game, given that both schools have been victimized by the NCAA's Draconian enforcement methods, where both teams decide they just don't feel like participating that night. Let the fat a$$es in the university administrations and the 'AA explain that to their television partners.

 

[OldVol]

Hopefully, as athletes become more and more aware of the financial hammer they wield, that's exactly what they'll do. The best idea I ever heard was that the Fab 5 considered refusing to start the NCAA title game until reforms were made that cut the athletes into the financial largess. My dream would be a Miami-Oklahoma BCS Championship game, given that both schools have been victimized by the NCAA's Draconian enforcement methods, where both teams decide they just don't feel like participating that night. Let the fat a$$es in the university administrations and the 'AA explain that to their television partners.

Overwhelming sympathies would prevail on the side of the administrators.

The simple reason is; mature individuals understand that these athletes accepted terms to play under. Mature people expect you to be a man of your word.

Whinning little girls want to change the system by sniping about terms they've already agreed to.

Most Americans are intelligent enough to see that.

If the players ever truly believe they have a complaint, let them do it the American way, litigate.
But don't accept terms and then whine about them.

They'll be about as successful as Curt Flood.

 

[hatvol96]

Overwhelming sympathies would prevail on the side of the administrators.

The simple reason is; mature individuals understand that these athletes accepted terms to play under. Mature people expect you to be a man of your word.

Whinning little girls want to change the system by sniping about terms they've already agreed to.

Most Americans are intelligent enough to see that.

If the players ever truly believe they have a complaint, let them do it the American way, litigate.
But don't accept terms and then whine about them.

They'll be about as successful as Curt Flood.

Let's see, don't baseball players now enjoy all the freedoms Curt Flood, a true American hero, fought the system to get? The answer is a resounding YES. One day, someone will step foward with courage and conviction and become the Curt Flood of college athletics. That will be a truly marvelous day.

If you think the sympathies of the inner city neighborhoods where a good portion of the players in D-I hoops and football grow up would be "on the side of the administrators" you're completely delusional. I'm fairly confident that most of the sports fans in my generation could give a flying damn about the NCAA. Your claim of "overwhelming sympathies" would in fact turn out to be just guys who look and think like the administrators.

 

[OldVol]

Let's see, don't baseball players now enjoy all the freedoms Curt Flood, a true American hero, fought the system to get? The answer is a resounding YES. One day, someone will step foward with courage and conviction and become the Curt Flood of college athletics. That will be a truly marvelous day.

If you think the sympathies of the inner city neighborhoods where a good portion of the players in D-I hoops and football grow up would be "on the side of the administrators" you're completely delusional. I'm fairly confident that most of the sports fans in my generation could give a flying damn about the NCAA. Your claim of "overwhelming sympathies" would in fact turn out to be just guys who look and think like the administrators.

The bottom line in any litigation, as you know, is who wins.

Flood had a noble complaint, but it was not sound legally.

What Flood could not obtain through the courts the players were able to obtain through organizing. Like him, hate him, or indifference to him, Marvin Miller is the reason the players are reaping the benefits they now enjoy. It has nothing to do with Flood's case.

 

[hatvol96]

The bottom line in any litigation, as you know, is who wins.

Flood had a noble complaint, but it was not sound legally.

What Flood could not obtain through the courts the players were able to obtain through organizing. Like him, hate him, or indifference to him, Marvin Miller is the reason the players are reaping the benefits they now enjoy. It has nothing to do with Flood's case.

Gee, then why does Marvin Miller give most of the credit for the player's gains to Curt Flood in his autoiography? Also, I guess you missed the Messersmith and McNally decisions that gutted the reserve clause. The arguments made in those cases were essentially identical to those made by Curt Flood. I guess there must have been some legal merit there.

 

[hatvol96]

The bottom line in any litigation, as you know, is who wins.

Flood had a noble complaint, but it was not sound legally.

What Flood could not obtain through the courts the players were able to obtain through organizing. Like him, hate him, or indifference to him, Marvin Miller is the reason the players are reaping the benefits they now enjoy. It has nothing to do with Flood's case.

I would love to see college athletes organize. The terror on the faces of fat, old university presidents, athletic directors, and Myles Brand would be priceless.

 

[hatvol96]

The bottom line in any litigation, as you know, is who wins.

Flood had a noble complaint, but it was not sound legally.

What Flood could not obtain through the courts the players were able to obtain through organizing. Like him, hate him, or indifference to him, Marvin Miller is the reason the players are reaping the benefits they now enjoy. It has nothing to do with Flood's case.

Marvin Miller is one of the greatest Americans of the last 50 years.

 

[milohimself]

That's Symptoms

You can only watch the 98 win over Florida State, the Comeback in the Bayou, or the Miracle in South Bend so many times before you go nanners (that's bananas for you Yankees or West Coastians like Milo).

We have nanners over here, too.

My old girlfriend slapped me a few times; do you reckon that would have any effect?

She had a pretty good left.

Plus, in my day, we were taught to lead with the helmet. I can still hear the coaches saying, “Put your hat on ‘em.” I always did what I was told in those days, but I outgrew it.

Now it's leading with the shoulder for younger kids. What a softened generation. At least we still got dip boom drills. Those will take the wind right out of you.

I'm going to guess that OldVol doesn't play a whole lot of Xbox football.

He ought to.

I'm a Playstation guy.

Yes sir B)

I would love to see college athletes organize. The terror on the faces of fat, old university presidents, athletic directors, and Myles Brand would be priceless.

I would love to see college athletes organize if only to get their damn names on the NCAA games so I don't have to go and input them all myself!

 

[D MAN 335]

Fortunately I'm a big fan of other sports. The year flies by for me no matter whats eason it is.

yep

 

[WA_Vol]

I would love to see college athletes organize. The terror on the faces of fat, old university presidents, athletic directors, and Myles Brand would be priceless.

You act like free college tuition, room and board costs next to nothing. Depending on if you go to a private school, you could be looking at 30K a year, and if you redshirt your freshman year thats 5 years of school close to a 150k. Thats not pocket change. Some of the smart guys when they finish playing college football almost have a master's degree completed if they go to summer school and redshirt as a freshmen. All for free and very valuable to them.

I agree that the NCAA should pay them something considering the time they put into the sport and the amount of money the university receives, making football pay for all these other sports is ridiculous, but the free college education is valuable and expensive.

 

[milohimself]

At the same time, the NCAA acts like the Gestapo about the athletes. It's hard to get a birthday present from Aunt Bev without it getting looked into by the NCAA. Now I know there is a line, such as boosters paying players to come to their schools. But there is another line, that the NCAA crosses, during the college athlete's years where he is on lockdown.

 

[hatvol96]

You act like free college tuition, room and board costs next to nothing. Depending on if you go to a private school, you could be looking at 30K a year, and if you redshirt your freshman year thats 5 years of school close to a 150k. Thats not pocket change. Some of the smart guys when they finish playing college football almost have a master's degree completed if they go to summer school and redshirt as a freshmen. All for free and very valuable to them.

I agree that the NCAA should pay them something considering the time they put into the sport and the amount of money the university receives, making football pay for all these other sports is ridiculous, but the free college education is valuable and expensive.

It's not free. When broken down on an hourly basis, it's not such a great deal. The private school argument has some merit, but only if you buy completely into the "student-athlete" paradigm.

 

[volfan2024]

It's not free. When broken down on an hourly basis, it's not such a great deal. The private school argument has some merit, but only if you buy completely into the "student-athlete" paradigm.

Fact:Maryville College-31,500. per year.

 

[hatvol96]

Fact:Maryville College-31,500. per year.

How many times were they on ESPN last year? How many future NFL players do they have? How much revenue does their football program produce? Comparing them to a program to UT is like comparing Luxembourg to China.

 

[volinasheville]

Can you imagine how much Peyton Manning would have raked in on the sale of jerseys at Tennessee? Hat, you should contact him about being lead plaintiff.

 

[hatvol96]

Can you imagine how much Peyton Manning would have raked in on the sale of jerseys at Tennessee? Hat, you should contact him about being lead plaintiff.

Fair is fair, Kenny Chesney's pal Peyton Cakes should have gotten a cut.

 

[volfan2024]

Can you imagine how much Peyton Manning would have raked in on the sale of jerseys at Tennessee? Hat, you should contact him about being lead plaintiff.

Could you imagine if Hat became a judge one day and some poor soul (defendant) appears in his court wearing a Peyton Manning Jersey.Would Hat rule or sentence without prejudice? :dunno:

 

[OldVol]

Marvin Miller is one of the greatest Americans of the last 50 years.

Damn boy! I've got you talkin' to yourself again.

I just love it when that happens.

Flood won sympathy. Nothing more. Any which way you slice it.

 

[hatvol96]

Damn boy! I've got you talkin' to yourself again.

I just love it when that happens.

Flood won sympathy. Nothing more. Any which way you slice it.

If you consider the satisfaction that comes with being a man and standing up for what you believe nothing, then you're right. Now go back to bowing before your shrine to Elliot Ness and Myles Brand.

 

[OldVol]

If you consider the satisfaction that comes with being a man and standing up for what you believe nothing, then you're right. Now go back to bowing before your shrine to Elliot Ness and Myles Brand.

Elliot Ness?

You just make this too easy.

Now you've proudly taken the side and championed the cause of organized crime.

Grow up whipper snapper.

I'd love to be around when you finally realize how little you know. It would be entertaining.

Now, reply to this 3 or 4 times straightway. It's so much fun to watch.

 

[hatvol96]

Elliot Ness?

You just make this too easy.

Now you've proudly taken the side and championed the cause of organized crime.

Grow up whipper snapper.

I'd love to be around when you finally realize how little you know. It would be entertaining.

Now, reply to this 3 or 4 times straightway. It's so much fun to watch.

I'll take the mafia over a bunch of jack booted, wire tapping thugs anyday. I bet you're a big fan of J. Edgar Hoover aren't you?

 

[kptvol]

I'll take the mafia over a bunch of jack booted, wire tapping thugs anyday. I bet you're a big fan of J. Edgar Hoover aren't you?

I don't know about J. Edgar Hoover, but Peyton Manning sure is awesome!

 

[hatvol96]

I don't know about J. Edgar Hoover, but Peyton Manning sure is awesome!

I think Peyton and J. Edgar may have a few things in common.

 

[kptvol]

I think Peyton and J. Edgar may have a few things in common.

High levels of awesomeness?