importance of Croom and Downs

[Other_Guy]

I think this is the most important game for these guys.

As we know, a good TE is very important for a passing game. Croom led the WRs last week and could have his breakout game very soon IF Worley plays alright.

It's against a not so great defense in UGA (although playing the likes of Clemson and LSU doesn't pad help). It's not Florida.

Worley needs to continue to build confidence. I think he needs 1 game to get on track for a decent season, but also could only take 1 really bad game to ruin him for the remainder.

If Croom and Downs step up and Worley continues to mature on accuracy, I think Worley has a drastically improved game this weekend. Does that mean they even cover the spread? Probably not, but I think it will keep this year from being a total embarrassment and make the Auburn, Missouri and Vandy games winnable.

Will they rise to the challenge? Could be the most important game of the season.

 

[Other_Guy]

Of course, if all of the WRs and QB were consistent this team would look very good all things considered.

 

[goldenvol]

Worley's accuracy issues are a major problem, but that isn't the only problem we have on offense. Watch the offensive plays that Freak posted from the south alabama game and watch the blocking of downs. Watch the blocking of the running backs. And watch the route running of the wide receivers. Downs gets whipped on several blocking assignments allowing a sack and quaterback hurries. The running backs allow the blitzing defender to deep into the pocket before they make contact with them allowing quarterback pressure. The receivers actually run into each other on some plays and come out of their breaks very lazily instead of breaking sharply with a burst of speed on others. The offensive line is also allowing the pocket to collapse quicker than usual. The south Alabama nose guard whipped our center all day long. Lots of little issues turning into huge issues due to so many people not performing consistently.
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[johnw]

I think this is the most important game for these guys.

As we know, a good TE is very important for a passing game. Croom led the WRs last week and could have his breakout game very soon IF Worley plays alright.

It's against a not so great defense in UGA (although playing the likes of Clemson and LSU doesn't pad help). It's not Florida.

Worley needs to continue to build confidence. I think he needs 1 game to get on track for a decent season, but also could only take 1 really bad game to ruin him for the remainder.

If Croom and Downs step up and Worley continues to mature on accuracy, I think Worley has a drastically improved game this weekend. Does that mean they even cover the spread? Probably not, but I think it will keep this year from being a total embarrassment and make the Auburn, Missouri and Vandy games winnable.

Will they rise to the challenge? Could be the most important game of the season.

What makes you think?

 

[VolFan4Life87]

If this offense can just move the ball a little, not turn it over, and the defense can continue to get some turnovers - we just might have a shot.

 

[Other_Guy]

What makes you think?

I said IF they play well and Worley grows with accuracy it will be great confidence boost and they will start to roll. No I'm not thinking he will have a great game I'm saying IF. Don't think Pig or Smith is key I think it's these 2.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

this will be a defense our WRs should be able to get going on. they are just as young on the corner & the back end of their D as our Wrs are. Heard all those stories about Josh Smith eating up Brendan Langley at UT Camp so maybe he can do it a few times sunday.

 

[sjt18]

If I am Worley... 18 is my favorite number.

 

[sjt18]

this will be a defense our WRs should be able to get going on. they are just as young on the corner & the back end of their D as our Wrs are. Heard all those stories about Josh Smith eating up Brendan Langley at UT Camp so maybe he can do it a few times sunday.

They'll get their chance. I would wager that UGA will go man and stuff the run. They'll challenge UT's passing game to show it can make plays.

 

[sjt18]

Worley's accuracy issues are a major problem, but that isn't the only problem we have on offense.

Might want to watch the last game again. He spiked a couple of underneath throws but his mid range and deep throws were on target. He made a couple of bad reads and the WR's ran routes incorrectly a couple of times. But those aren't the same as being inaccurate. He was inaccurate early on when guys were having to contort their bodies to make a play.

 

[goldenvol]

Might want to watch the last game again. He spiked a couple of underneath throws but his mid range and deep throws were on target. He made a couple of bad reads and the WR's ran routes incorrectly a couple of times. But those aren't the same as being inaccurate. He was inaccurate early on when guys were having to contort their bodies to make a play.

I get what your saying but there are several throws that he totally overthrew wide open receivers (some short, some long). He also rushed a couple throws on screens and quick outs that would have been good gains.
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[sjt18]

I get what your saying but there are several throws that he totally overthrew wide open receivers (some short, some long). He also rushed a couple throws on screens and quick outs that would have been good gains.
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I am not sure which ones you are referring to exactly but on at least two occasions North cut routes off that should have gone long. He got "coached up" on the sideline for doing so.

I can remember 3 short passes however that were just ugly.

 

[Tenacguy50]

It's a "process".

 

[90 Vol]

They'll get their chance. I would wager that UGA will go man and stuff the run. They'll challenge UT's passing game to show it can make plays.

Yep. Man coverage and bring the house at Worley. If I'm the dawgs, that what I'm doing until we show that we can beat it. If Worley is under NO pressure and has time to set his feet, he's shown flashes of being pretty good.

 

[illvol]

I wonder if Worley has so much trouble on the short routes across the middle because he changes his mechanics when he takes something off his throws making them more inaccurate. Pitchers can throw 90 miles an hour all day long with great accuracy but when they field a ball and have to throw to 1st base some struggle because it's a different motion then when they pitch.
Not sure what the solution is or if this has anything to do with it but I know he has a strong arm and this could be part of the problem. Who knows.

 

[sjt18]

I wonder if Worley has so much trouble on the short routes across the middle because he changes his mechanics when he takes something off his throws making them more inaccurate. Pitchers can throw 90 miles an hour all day long with great accuracy but when they field a ball and have to throw to 1st base some struggle because it's a different motion then when they pitch.
Not sure what the solution is or if this has anything to do with it but I know he has a strong arm and this could be part of the problem. Who knows.

Yeah I can remember years ago when Steve Sax had that problem playing 2nd base for the Dodgers. He made the tougher plays but would throw the ball into the stands on a routine play.

I think you are right though. On one occasion I think he was late and tried to pull up because of a defender closing in on the play.

 

[fatvol]

Yep. Man coverage and bring the house at Worley. If I'm the dawgs, that what I'm doing until we show that we can beat it. If Worley is under NO pressure and has time to set his feet, he's shown flashes of being pretty good.

What constitutes a flash?

 

[gnm53108]

I wonder if Worley has so much trouble on the short routes across the middle because he changes his mechanics when he takes something off his throws making them more inaccurate. Pitchers can throw 90 miles an hour all day long with great accuracy but when they field a ball and have to throw to 1st base some struggle because it's a different motion then when they pitch.
Not sure what the solution is or if this has anything to do with it but I know he has a strong arm and this could be part of the problem. Who knows.

Interesting.

I have the same problem in golf. Full swing I can bash it pretty straight. It's those 30 yrd half swings that kill me. If Worley figures this out I'd like to know what he did.

 

[gnm53108]

What constitutes a flash?

56% comp 725 yrds and 8 tds.

 

[soda23]

this will be a defense our WRs should be able to get going on. they are just as young on the corner & the back end of their D as our Wrs are. Heard all those stories about Josh Smith eating up Brendan Langley at UT Camp so maybe he can do it a few times sunday.

I would prefer he do it Saturday

 

[DD4ME]

I think Croom has a breakout game against UGA. Booom Croooom!

 

[sjt18]

What constitutes a flash?

The TD to Smith. And the two he drilled into North and Croom were as good as you could get from any QB in CFB. He just needs to do it more consistently and to get over whatever his problem is with the short stuff.

 

[goldenvol]

I broke down several of the plays where inconsistent performances resulted in issues during the game. Hopefully it shows that Worley is part of the problem, but not the only problem on offense. I listed quater, time on clock, and down/distance so you could use Freaks sticky for the you tube link to the offensive plays of the South Alabama game.



• 1st Qtr, 10:08 on clock, 2nd and 9. Receiver rounds the route allowing the defender early recognition of the route and a better angle to gain ground on the receiver. Think the receiver was Pig Howard.
• 1st Qtr, 9:57 on clock, 3rd and 9. Worley way overthrows receiver. Receiver appears to be open. Safety was closing on the route quickly, but the ball sailed over everyone. Don’t know if this was just a bad overthrow or play communication error between QB and Receiver.
• 2nd Qtr, 13:54 on clock. Worley hurries the throw on the screen play. Just a second longer to develop and probably ends up a completion.
• 2nd Qtr, 7:37 on clock. 1st and 15. Brendan Downs gets beat badly off the edge allowing Worley to be hit from behind fumbling the ball.
• 2nd Qtr, 6:53 on clock, 2nd and 20. Marlin Lane recognizes blitzing linebacker, but allows the blitz to deep into the pocket. Also the linebacker pushes Lane back into Worley enough to make him throw quicker than he needed to. If Lanes takes two steps up to meet the defender and takes a strong blocking stance, then Worley gets ample time to make the throw.
• 2nd Qtr, 6:46 on clock, 3rd and 20. Worley makes bad decision and throws into triple coverage for the interception. Another receiver ran a 20yd out to the sideline that was wide open. Same side of the field.
• 2nd Qtr, 00:34 on clock, 2nd and 5. Pass is complete to Pig Howard for 1st down. Problem is that Pig rounds off his route once again allowing the defender to close ground and make the stop. A simple quick inside head fake to the defender and a quick break to the left in his route would have created hesitation in the defender and enough separation for a catch and run in for the score.
• 2nd Qtr, 00:29 on clock, 1st and goal. Right Tackle gets whipped resulting in tackle for loss.
• 2nd Qtr, 00:20 on clock, 2nd and goal. Pig Howard rolls out of his break once again, but stops on his route. Worley throws to the spot where Pig would have been resulting in an interception.
• 3rd Qtr, 14:25 on clock, 1st and 10. Left Tackle releases block to quickly for screen play allowing defender to close on Worley before the RB gets head around to look for ball. Worley rushes throw. Throwing it high and too hard for the RB to catch.
• 3rd Qtr, 9:22 on clock, 1st and 10. Worley stares down the receiver as soon as ball is snapped. The end reads his eyes and jumps up tipping the ball. The backer in coverage also noticed Worley’s eyes which gave him the opportunity to break quicker in front of the tipped ball for the interception. I believe the backer would have at the least swatted the ball away from the receiver and possibly intercepted it anyway.
• 3rd Qtr, 7:31 on clock, 3rd and 7. Looks like a wrong route or terribly overthrown ball. Don’t know which.
• 3rd Qtr, 3:17 on clock, 2nd and 7. James Stone gets whipped by Nose Tackle resulting in tackle for loss. The Nose Tackle made plays all day.
• 3rd Qtr, 2:50 on clock, 2nd and 10. Another route error or bad throw. Don’t know which.
• 4th Qtr, 13:44 on clock, 1st and 10. Brendan Downs and the Left Tackle can’t seal the end on one defender resulting in Neal getting strung out to the sideline and not turning the corner.
• 4th Qtr, 13:24 on clock, 1st and 15. Worley overthrows Pig Howard. It looks like a bad overthrow of an open receiver, but I can’t tell if Pig’s route got knocked short and he wasn’t in the intended spot.
• 4th Qtr, 13:18 on clock, 2nd and 15. Worley has the screen play un-folding. The blitzing defender is coming very quickly. Neal lets him come un-touched. Worley rushes the throw before Neal gets out of his break to avoid the sack. It is my opinion that Neal in this situation has to stop the momentum of the blitzing defender before he can release into his route.
• 4th Qtr, 11:22 on clock, 3rd and 3. Worley throws perfect ball to Smith for the first down and Smith doesn’t hold on to the ball. Smith has done some good things, but he has had some easy drops.
• 4th Qtr, 8:10 on clock, 3rd and 6. Crossing Receivers run into each other and mess up the timing on the routes.

 

[Aday25]

What constitutes a flash?

His TD passes? The one to Jo. Smith was beautiful.

 

[Aday25]

I broke down several of the plays where inconsistent performances resulted in issues during the game. Hopefully it shows that Worley is part of the problem, but not the only problem on offense. I listed quater, time on clock, and down/distance so you could use Freaks sticky for the you tube link to the offensive plays of the South Alabama game.



• 1st Qtr, 10:08 on clock, 2nd and 9. Receiver rounds the route allowing the defender early recognition of the route and a better angle to gain ground on the receiver. Think the receiver was Pig Howard.
• 1st Qtr, 9:57 on clock, 3rd and 9. Worley way overthrows receiver. Receiver appears to be open. Safety was closing on the route quickly, but the ball sailed over everyone. Don’t know if this was just a bad overthrow or play communication error between QB and Receiver.
• 2nd Qtr, 13:54 on clock. Worley hurries the throw on the screen play. Just a second longer to develop and probably ends up a completion.
• 2nd Qtr, 7:37 on clock. 1st and 15. Brendan Downs gets beat badly off the edge allowing Worley to be hit from behind fumbling the ball.
• 2nd Qtr, 6:53 on clock, 2nd and 20. Marlin Lane recognizes blitzing linebacker, but allows the blitz to deep into the pocket. Also the linebacker pushes Lane back into Worley enough to make him throw quicker than he needed to. If Lanes takes two steps up to meet the defender and takes a strong blocking stance, then Worley gets ample time to make the throw.
• 2nd Qtr, 6:46 on clock, 3rd and 20. Worley makes bad decision and throws into triple coverage for the interception. Another receiver ran a 20yd out to the sideline that was wide open. Same side of the field.
• 2nd Qtr, 00:34 on clock, 2nd and 5. Pass is complete to Pig Howard for 1st down. Problem is that Pig rounds off his route once again allowing the defender to close ground and make the stop. A simple quick inside head fake to the defender and a quick break to the left in his route would have created hesitation in the defender and enough separation for a catch and run in for the score.
• 2nd Qtr, 00:29 on clock, 1st and goal. Right Tackle gets whipped resulting in tackle for loss.
• 2nd Qtr, 00:20 on clock, 2nd and goal. Pig Howard rolls out of his break once again, but stops on his route. Worley throws to the spot where Pig would have been resulting in an interception.
• 3rd Qtr, 14:25 on clock, 1st and 10. Left Tackle releases block to quickly for screen play allowing defender to close on Worley before the RB gets head around to look for ball. Worley rushes throw. Throwing it high and too hard for the RB to catch.
• 3rd Qtr, 9:22 on clock, 1st and 10. Worley stares down the receiver as soon as ball is snapped. The end reads his eyes and jumps up tipping the ball. The backer in coverage also noticed Worley’s eyes which gave him the opportunity to break quicker in front of the tipped ball for the interception. I believe the backer would have at the least swatted the ball away from the receiver and possibly intercepted it anyway.
• 3rd Qtr, 7:31 on clock, 3rd and 7. Looks like a wrong route or terribly overthrown ball. Don’t know which.
• 3rd Qtr, 3:17 on clock, 2nd and 7. James Stone gets whipped by Nose Tackle resulting in tackle for loss. The Nose Tackle made plays all day.
• 3rd Qtr, 2:50 on clock, 2nd and 10. Another route error or bad throw. Don’t know which.
• 4th Qtr, 13:44 on clock, 1st and 10. Brendan Downs and the Left Tackle can’t seal the end on one defender resulting in Neal getting strung out to the sideline and not turning the corner.
• 4th Qtr, 13:24 on clock, 1st and 15. Worley overthrows Pig Howard. It looks like a bad overthrow of an open receiver, but I can’t tell if Pig’s route got knocked short and he wasn’t in the intended spot.
• 4th Qtr, 13:18 on clock, 2nd and 15. Worley has the screen play un-folding. The blitzing defender is coming very quickly. Neal lets him come un-touched. Worley rushes the throw before Neal gets out of his break to avoid the sack. It is my opinion that Neal in this situation has to stop the momentum of the blitzing defender before he can release into his route.
• 4th Qtr, 11:22 on clock, 3rd and 3. Worley throws perfect ball to Smith for the first down and Smith doesn’t hold on to the ball. Smith has done some good things, but he has had some easy drops.
• 4th Qtr, 8:10 on clock, 3rd and 6. Crossing Receivers run into each other and mess up the timing on the routes.

Nice observations. It goes to show that if all the cogs aren't working exactly as intended the time will be off. People like scape goats. I've been critical of Worley but I also recognize that it is more then just one player.