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#126
#126
Buzzbait said:
So please correct me if I have misinterpreted, but 6 other SEC schools have 6x the number of 4-5* commitments to TN’s 3? 6X 3 = 18 and that averages out to 3 recruits per team. Same as TN?
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Read it again.
 
#127
#127
OrangeBeachVol said:
I respect you posters opinions here and I said more 5*s are better however we saw with Jones, who recruited more 5*s than Pruitt but he and his staff could not develop them any better than they did the other less star players. So IMO, coaching does matter and if you have coaches that can develop all players that should improve the depth. Not sure we can ever catch AL/GA in the near term until their current coaches leave. They have created too big of a talent gap.
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Just saying people praise the players on how great they are when they beat Kentucky, but when Bama blows us out of the water in the 4th qtr , then our talent isn't good. People use the lack of depth to try make a loss appear justified, but depth isn't an issue when we are winning.
 
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#130
#130
orangemadam said:
My point is that the transfer portal will never be our savior, because the top teams get their pick first.

JH has to start getting getting his recruiting classes in the top 5-10 before the team will ever be top tier again.
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Well you didn't make that point at all in your previous post. I sing think the transfer portal is a savior either, but you have to make incremental improvements every where to get better. Take the improvements in the portal when possible and move on to the next thing to improve.
 
#131
#131
FïreBall said:
To add to this. Heupel and staff were hired less than a year ago. UTs recruiting staff were canned. UTs has already self imposed recruiting restrictions, plus negative recruiting against UT. Lots of hills to climb for this staff
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Yes, they already took the recruiting violations medicine. Big one too. And still have chance to have a top 15 class. Put a top 5 offense on the field again in 22 and win 8-9 games then we'll see what kind of mojo they got.
 
#132
#132
reaperkyle said:
No offense, but statistically speaking, maybe you should.

College players get drafted based on their ability and performance in college, yes? So.....

Last 4 years combined:
***** 84/126 were drafted. 67%
**** 269/1096 were drafted. 25%
*** 409/5461 were drafted. 7%
** or unranked 115/5600 were drafted. 2%

There's a lot of 3* players in the NFL for one reason: There's 5x more of them than 4 and 5*'s put together.

Everyone has their own favorite underachieving 5* and overachieving 3* that they like to throw out, but the facts are the facts. Every time we get a 4* recruit, he has 3.5x more probability to develop into a NFL caliber player than a 3*. Every time we get a 5* recruit, he has 10x more probability of developing into a NFL caliber player than a 3*. That's why I get excited when I see a higher ranked player commit to us, and that's why every SEC or National Championship team in the modern era has had more 4 and 5*'s in their two deep than 3*'s.

I'm sure our coaches would prefer more certainty with higher ranked guys, but Tennessee just can't pull the higher ranked players on a consistent basis right now. They are recruiting who they think we have a chance with. Some consistent success on the field can and will change that IMO, because Tennessee continues to show out when recruits get on campus.

I love Coach Heupel and really believe he can get us to where we are competing for Championships again, but to have a consistent shot at the big boys, we need a higher talent level. Embrace the facts and let us enjoy gazing.

I do think there's a good chance this staff adds 3-5 higher ranked guys (4* or above) in this recruiting cycle, as well as a few highly ranked transfers.
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Can I use your post in an article?
 
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#133
#133
Volsfannn said:
Just saying people praise the players on how great they are when they beat Kentucky, but when Bama blows us out of the water in the 4th qtr , then our talent isn't good. People use the lack of depth to try make a loss appear justified, but depth isn't an issue when we are winning.
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Yep. Depth isn’t an issue when we are winning because we are winning because we have depth.
 
#136
#136
Of you would read up on some of the Star ratings,some players are 2 or 3 stars because they went to only 1 or 2 "camps".Ratings often come from amount of camps.attended.If a player has no means(financial or transportation related)to attend,he.suffers from lack of exposure.Being able to find some of these players,along with the ability to" coach them up",makes a world of difference.Take the difference between Pruitt's staff and Heupe's staff,the coaching yup difference is unbelievable.
 
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#137
I expect we will end up somewhere around 20th when all is said and done. The program was a mess following the Pruitt fiasco and will take a couple years to recover even if this staff continues to do well. Maybe we get back to top 10 classes by the 24 season. Might be sooner if we are able to step up our NIL game.
 
#138
#138
If stars don't mean anything, I wonder why Ala, Ga, Ohio State coincidentally never sign 1 & 2* athletes and very few 3*? I guess we are the only team that can "coach 'em up"
and the only coaching staff that finds underrated low star players.
 
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#139
#139
Behr said:
So what was the recruit average when we we're 38th?
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I don’t know. The jump to 20th is the result of several recent committment which put us ahead temporarily in the number of recruits in total. It is misleading because the other teams will catch up to near even eventually.
 
#142
#142
LAVol1 said:
Laugh all you want, but stars do matter, particularly when there is such a huge discrepancy in the number of 4 and 5 star players. If you think a roster made up of 75% 3* players can compete annually with a team of 75% 4 and 5* players, you lack common sense. So, you think you can look at film of HS players and better evaluate them than people who do that for a living?
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Oregon did. Consistently
 
#144
#144
Remy said:
Mizzou out recruits Kentucky and both out recruit us. This does not bode well for a winning future.
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Kentucky has a stable coaching staff so they’ve been recruiting these kids to UK for four years; our staff has been recruiting for less than a year. Plus Stoops has made solid improvements. The Cats are a quality QB away from being really good. Not sure about Drink over at Mizzou - they finished well and he’s a good salesman.

This year will be a tough one to flip four and five star players to Tennessee because most of those guys have been heavily recruited since they were in ninth grade - we‘re too late for most. Hopefully we can get a few but our best bet for roster improvement this year is once again the transfer portal
 
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#145
DaddyChad said:
Well all of the sudden a lot of our in state talent is suddenly being steered to Kentucky by the same people who were steering them to Pruitt. You can probably add up the rest.
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Look at the top 20 in state players - only one is committed to Tennessee. Losing Seasons and coaching turnover has opened up Tennessee for others to come cherry pick the best players.
 
#147
#147
reaperkyle said:
No offense, but statistically speaking, maybe you should.

College players get drafted based on their ability and performance in college, yes? So.....

Last 4 years combined:
***** 84/126 were drafted. 67%
**** 269/1096 were drafted. 25%
*** 409/5461 were drafted. 7%
** or unranked 115/5600 were drafted. 2%

There's a lot of 3* players in the NFL for one reason: There's 5x more of them than 4 and 5*'s put together.

Everyone has their own favorite underachieving 5* and overachieving 3* that they like to throw out, but the facts are the facts. Every time we get a 4* recruit, he has 3.5x more probability to develop into a NFL caliber player than a 3*. Every time we get a 5* recruit, he has 10x more probability of developing into a NFL caliber player than a 3*. That's why I get excited when I see a higher ranked player commit to us, and that's why every SEC or National Championship team in the modern era has had more 4 and 5*'s in their two deep than 3*'s.

I'm sure our coaches would prefer more certainty with higher ranked guys, but Tennessee just can't pull the higher ranked players on a consistent basis right now. They are recruiting who they think we have a chance with. Some consistent success on the field can and will change that IMO, because Tennessee continues to show out when recruits get on campus.

I love Coach Heupel and really believe he can get us to where we are competing for Championships again, but to have a consistent shot at the big boys, we need a higher talent level. Embrace the facts and let us enjoy gazing.

I do think there's a good chance this staff adds 3-5 higher ranked guys (4* or above) in this recruiting cycle, as well as a few highly ranked transfers.
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Quit with the facts already. We can't stand it ;)
 
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#148
#148
This article appeared on Facebook today, a symptom of what’s happening in Middle Tennessee. We are losing 4 and 5 star kids to other SEC SCHOOLS and we need to stop it. Georgia, Alabama and ole Miss taking kids out of this area: “RTR in ?@Vol_Football? headed back ?@OleMissFB,” Kiffin wrote. Though Nashville is not technically “Volunteer Country,” as Tennessee’s campus is located over three hours away in Knoxville, far be it from Kiffin to pass up the opportunity to poke fun.
 
#149
#149
Sudden Impact said:
I think you are over thinking and speculating like a 2nd grade girl at a tea party....

Not trusting the Staff or Coach?

Didn't you state that if CJH continues this recruiting trend that we will be looking for a new coach in 2 to 3 years?

Pretty much knee jerk reaction or just a jerk reaction.

You may need to look somewhere else for a team to support.
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Inasmuch as I own two degrees from UTK, that ain't gonna happen. Thank God that I don't need the approval of churlish dolts to support my alma mater.
 
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