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Can anyone tell me why the Vols are not high on these Tennessee boys' lists? BTW these guys represent the majority of the state's blue chip prospects this year in case you don't recognize the names. Also, I know some of you will say that these guys are not ranked high enough at their position for UT but I think we need some athletes and some of these QBs will probably turn into good DBs and WRs, both of which we need. Also, I understand that we do not need 10 running backs or whatever but why are we not getting looks from these guys??? Supposedly these are the guys who should bleed orange and want to play for Vol pride or whatever. If I left anyone off that you consider a top recruit then pile 'em on. Feel free to address individual guys who you are familiar with or take on the whole list. I am really interested in this.

Daniel Becker OLB Ravenwood - Looks like Vandy
Mike Berry OG Brentwood Acad. (has UT on list but considered low chance) - Looks like Auburn
Preston Brown RB Antioch - OK State
Tremayne Coger RB Columbia - Bama
Graig Cooper RB Memphis - UT is medium interest with 8 others
Jocques Crawford RB Cordova - Clemson, UNC, Ole Miss or Memphis
Joei Fiegler QB Maryville - toss up with Indiana, Louisville and a couple of others
Kenyatta Fullilove S Memphis Melrose - UT is tied with 3 others as medium interest
Brandon Jackson ILB Memphis Briarcrest - Ole Miss
T.C. Jennings QB Ravenwood - Bama or Vandy
Lester Lawson ILB Germantown - NO INFO other than UT is on his list
Patrick Lock OT Tullahooma - UT medium interest with 3 others
Robert Longworth OLB Knoxville - NO INFO but does not look like UT is on his list
Jake McGinnis DE Sevierville - NO INFO other than UT is on his list
Gaston Miller RB Murfreesboro - Vandy
Adam Milligan WR/QB Savannah - UT medium interest with 4 others
Chris Mosby ILB Memphis - KY
Russell Nenon OC Memphis - KY or Memphis, UT not on list
Adam Smotherman OG Smyrna - Vandy
Dylan Stevens OG Morristown - NO INFO other than UT is on his list
Cassius Vaughan RB Memphis - Ole Miss
Brandon Warren TE Alcoa - FL State. How the great recruiter CPF let this guy get away is beyond me. Probably the best position player in the state and from Alcoa!!!
 
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Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Dec 13, 2005 4:54 PM
Can anyone tell me why the Vols are not high on these Tennessee boys' lists?  BTW these guys represent the majority of the state's blue chip prospects this year in case you don't recognize the names.  Also, I know some of you will say that these guys are not ranked high enough at their position for UT but I think we need some athletes and some of these QBs will probably turn into good DBs and WRs, both of which we need.  Also, I understand that we do not need 10 running backs or whatever but why are we not getting looks from these guys???  Supposedly these are the guys who should bleed orange and want to play for Vol pride or whatever.  If I left anyone off that you consider a top recruit then pile 'em on.  Feel free to address individual guys who you are familiar with or take on the whole list.  I am really interested in this.

Daniel Becker OLB Ravenwood - Looks like Vandy
Mike Berry OG Brentwood Acad. (has UT on list but considered low chance) - Looks like Auburn
Preston Brown RB Antioch - OK State
Tremayne Coger RB Columbia - Bama
Graig Cooper RB Memphis - UT is medium interest with 8 others
Jocques Crawford RB Cordova - Clemson, UNC, Ole Miss or Memphis
Joei Fiegler QB Maryville - toss up with Indiana, Louisville and a couple of others
Kenyatta Fullilove S Memphis Melrose - UT is tied with 3 others as medium interest
Brandon Jackson ILB Memphis Briarcrest - Ole Miss
T.C. Jennings QB Ravenwood - Bama or Vandy
Lester Lawson ILB Germantown - NO INFO other than UT is on his list
Patrick Lock OT Tullahooma - UT medium interest with 3 others
Robert Longworth OLB Knoxville - NO INFO but does not look like UT is on his list
Jake McGinnis DE Sevierville - NO INFO other than UT is on his list
Gaston Miller RB Murfreesboro - Vandy
Adam Milligan WR/QB Savannah - UT medium interest with 4 others
Chris Mosby ILB Memphis - KY
Russell Nenon OC Memphis - KY or Memphis, UT not on list
Adam Smotherman OG Smyrna - Vandy
Dylan Stevens OG Morristown - NO INFO other than UT is on his list
Cassius Vaughan RB Memphis - Ole Miss
Brandon Warren TE Alcoa - FL State.  How the great recruiter CPF let this guy get away is beyond me.  Probably the best position player in the state and from Alcoa!!!
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Gee, maybe Warren likes the idea of learning to be an adult and being on his own. Why should his living in Alcoa give UT some kind of advantage? If players all stayed in-state, we could just give the Florida schools and Texas passes to the BCS every year. Maybe some of these kids don't like their hometowns and can't wait to get out.
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Dec 13, 2005 5:01 PM
Gee, maybe Warren likes the idea of learning to be an adult and being on his own. Why should his living in Alcoa give UT some kind of advantage? If players all stayed in-state, we could just give the Florida schools and Texas passes to the BCS every year. Maybe some of these kids don't like their hometowns and can't wait to get out.
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I am not going to disagree with you but this kid is NFL caliber if he continues to develop. For someone that good you do whatever you have to do to sign 'em. If he wants to get away from home offer him a study abroad program in Europe in Spring Semester. Believe me, stuff like that happens and it is within the rules.
 
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I know Preston Brown and Lamarcus Coker didn't like each other very much in high school. Joel Fiegler plays for Alcoa not Maryville and he would be like having another AJ Suggs. Gaston Miller is like 5'5" and has speed that would be considered average to below average when compared to the other skill guys on Tennessee team. Brandon Warren is a life long FSU fan and it would take a small miracle to pry him away from Bobby. As for the others it has already been stated that UT has limited scholy's this year so they are being choosey.
 
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Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Dec 13, 2005 5:04 PM
I am not going to disagree with you but this kid is NFL caliber if he continues to develop.  For someone that good you do whatever you have to do to sign 'em. If he wants to get away from home offer him a study abroad program in Europe in Spring Semester.  Believe me, stuff like that happens and it is within the rules.
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You miss my point. Maybe he doesn't want to deal with our fans constantly hounding him. I guarantee Leroy Thompson would say the best move he ever made was going to Penn State. The anonimity of being away from home allowed him to be more of a normal college student. The pressure of being a hometown guy takes alot of the fun of college away.
 
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Thanks Jacksonian. That is the kind of good insight I am looking for as compared to a kneejerk reaction. I am going to say two things about the scholarship limitation though. First, I see several kids on there who probably do not need a scholarship and who might be sold on the program. Second, we can always reward someone with a scholarship in their Soph., Jr. or Sr. year. Yes, it is a big deal for reasons of pride and economic need but it is probably not the only factor for many of these guys.
 
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You can't discount the fact that the issue with warren is that we just don't utilize out TE's as recievers but as an extra lineman.
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Dec 13, 2005 5:14 PM
You miss my point. Maybe he doesn't want to deal with our fans constantly hounding him. I guarantee Leroy Thompson would say the best move he ever made was going to Penn State. The anonimity of being away from home allowed him to be more of a normal college student. The pressure of being a hometown guy takes alot of the fun of college away.
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If he's a 'Nole diehard then he's a 'Nole diehard. No big deal.
 
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Originally posted by VOLracerx@Dec 13, 2005 5:18 PM
You can't discount the fact that the issue with warren is that we just don't utilize out TE's as recievers but as an extra lineman.
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Maybe if we had a great TE that would change? Apparently this is a sore subject in East Tennessee. I was not trying to single a certain kid out or stir up trouble. I am more interested in the apparent lack of in-state recruiting successes.
 
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I understand what you are saying but I don't think you can lump all these guys in the same category - they all have their own reasons. Gone is the day when the kids play for the teamin the back yard - There is just too much national exposure these days and with 85 scholarships per team there is a lot more competition than there used to be so once you start down one road it might be harder to come back from there.
 
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Tennessee is not a state football power for HS football did you SEE the schools those players had listed come on now....As a Hatvol said if UT only recrutied Tennessee we would not be that great! That's why CPF goes Nation wide for players IE California, Florida( where every coach goes), and Texas( where every coach goes) :peace2:
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Dec 13, 2005 5:01 PM
Gee, maybe Warren likes the idea of learning to be an adult and being on his own. Why should his living in Alcoa give UT some kind of advantage? If players all stayed in-state, we could just give the Florida schools and Texas passes to the BCS every year. Maybe some of these kids don't like their hometowns and can't wait to get out.
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and the buckeyes.
 
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We didn't want but a couple of those guys. Hell, you could expand that list if you wanted to. BW is a commit, but don't rule him out yet. The Milligan kid apears to be a target. There was no interest from UT or from Berry.
 
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Dec 13, 2005 7:59 PM
We didn't want but a couple of those guys.  Hell, you could expand that list if you wanted to.  BW is a commit, but don't rule him out yet.  The Milligan kid apears to be a target.  There was no interest from UT or from Berry.
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Believe me I am right there with you on that sentiment. Recently there has been some talk about UT not getting the in-state guys like say UGA does. I am glad that UT can recruit nationally but when I see that most of the few 4 and 5 star guys who grew up and played HS ball here do not even have us on their list it kind of concerns me. The Vols should be taking the best 5-10 players in the state every year minus maybe one or two guys.
 
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I personally feel tennesse's talent level when it comes to football isnt as high as others. I mean if I was fulmer and i had a choice to recruit hard in tennessee, or get tons of players from florida, texas, and so cal, i would go with option b.
 
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I think we always pull the good ones out of tennessee though...... i mean we did get jason witten..
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Dec 13, 2005 5:14 PM
You miss my point. Maybe he doesn't want to deal with our fans constantly hounding him. I guarantee Leroy Thompson would say the best move he ever made was going to Penn State. The anonimity of being away from home allowed him to be more of a normal college student. The pressure of being a hometown guy takes alot of the fun of college away.
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I don't want to wear out this one kid but it seems he was the #1 prospect for the whole state this year. I simply do not understand how UT can not land the #1 guy from their home state. I guarantee you that if we had done 10-1 or 11-0 this year we would have Warren wrapped up.
 
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Lee Humphrey is down at Florida...but if Bruce was here at the time....we would have had Dane and Lee both.
 
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if your using that same logic then why does Tennessee have tons of players from outside the state, like players from florida and louisiana, georgia, and south carolina. All those teams shouldn't have lossed their instate players either, but a ton of players want to play out of state, thats just the way it is.
 
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First of all, the fact is that we don't offer those guys. That is why they don't go to UTK. Fulmer feels like he can get higher rated players than those on that list (with the exception of maybe 2 or 3). And, second of all, Brandon Warren is not signed and he is far from decided on where he is going to college. UTK is still very much in the running to get him.
 
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Originally posted by therickbol@Dec 13, 2005 8:43 PM
And, second of all, Brandon Warren is not signed and he is far from decided on where he is going to college. UTK is still very much in the running to get him.
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That's not what he said.
 
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Originally posted by mattvols@Dec 13, 2005 8:42 PM
if your using that same logic then why does Tennessee have tons of players from outside the state, like players from florida and louisiana, georgia, and south carolina. All those teams shouldn't have lossed their instate players either, but a ton of players want to play out of state, thats just the way it is.
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I agree with you but how many of the out-of-state guys that we get are 5 star legitimate best in their state guys? ZERO. We have to be able to get the craem of Tennesee and then go a callin' on the out of state kids.
 
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Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Dec 13, 2005 8:36 PM
I don't want to wear out this one kid but it seems he was the #1 prospect for the whole state this year.  I simply do not understand how UT can not land the #1 guy from their home state.  I guarantee you that if we had done 10-1 or 11-0 this year we would have Warren wrapped up.
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wait you think we would have him wrapped up if we went 10-1 and dont know why we dont have him now??? HELLLO!!!!
 
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