In the Ferguson vs Dobbs debate lets at least put one thing to rest...

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Gandalf said:
Dobbs is NOT faster than Riley - I keep hearing this but it just isn't so, at least evidenced by their 40 times as recruits.

Riley Ferguson - 4.8 (not blistering but not bad for a QB)
Joshua Dobbs - 4.94 (thats not exactly rocket like more like pretty middle of the non-sec pack for a QB)

Football Recruiting - Joshua Dobbs - Player Profiles - ESPN
Riley Ferguson - Yahoo! Sports

Yes, I am aware that both listed times are from when they were recruits and thus not exactly reflective. I also notice that Dobbs SAID he has run a 4.6 back then but when it comes to listed numbers there is no evidence.

Point is they have both undoubtedly improved. Fergy reputedly relies on his arm strength (because he has it) and Dobbs has clearly shown he can scramble (mostly because our O-line was so crappy last year that he had to pretty much every play).

All that said, Worley is going to start and either Dobbs or Ferguson is going to be #2, progressively getting more snaps and will emerge as the solid leader for 2015 when most of our weapons really line up and we have a strong shot at an 8-9+ win season. In the meantime, whatever the merits of both Dobbs and Fergy (and each has solid merits), lets not hear any more about how Dobbs is faster because there just is no evidence of it - either in stats or on the field.
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Hmmm...let see now. I vote for Worley.
 
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VolAllen said:
How about this. I don't care about who played who. Ferg got sacked 3 times, fumbled, and threw a pick.

Dobbs didn't.

I'm going with Dobbs between those two. I don't give a damn about the 40 time.
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Thats like saying its the same to play against Miami as it is to play against USF
 
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So I guess it depends on who you ask:

The 6-foot-3, 190-pound Dobbs is the No. 8 pro-style quarterback in the 2013 class, according to 247Sports.com. Although he's listed as a pro-style quarterback, Dobbs can still move, as he's been clocked at 4.7 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He's also good in the classroom, another nice quality to have in a quarterback, as he also had offers from Harvard, Princeton and Yale.

QB Joshua Dobbs flips from Arizona State to Tennessee - CBSSports.com
 
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tomq_123 said:
Ferguson may be the fastest and have the best arm, but if he doesn't learn to read defenses or pick up coverages he won't take us any further than Bray did. Right now, Worley seems like the best option with regard to being able to read defenses and pick up coverages (as a Sr. should be) with Dobbs being 2nd best. Ferguson will have to put in a lot of work over the Summer and in Fall camp to catch up and pass either Worley or Dobbs.
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Now come on... It wasn't Bray's fault we went 5-7 in 2012. He may not have had the best head on his shoulders, but he has a heck of an arm and with him we had one of the top offenses in the nation. Our defense was just horrid which is why we lost so many games. With a decent defense we easily would have went much farther. I would love to have a QB of Bray's caliber right now.
 
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sjt18 said:
I have not seen Ferguson run in a game. Dobbs' football speed is very good. He didn't look like a 4.94 sprinter in his long run on Saturday. Some of the guys pursuing him CAN run.
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That's because he's faster than 4.94 in a 40. Anyone that has seen him run in a game gets that, he's not the fastest running QB, but he can still beat teams with his legs.

247 Sports reported that he ran a 4.7 40 when he was high school, and that seems about right after watching him play at UT.

So NO, we can't put this to rest.
 
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I don't know what Peytons 40 time is but i sure did enjoy that naked bootleg play against alabama...'whose got the ball' lol
 
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oregonvol said:
The people on this board put way too much into 40 times. And especially when we are talking about 40 times in high school, it's just senseless. I was looking up an NFL draft prospect today. AC Leonard, a tight end, just ran a 4.5 at the combine. I happened upon his high school listing on rivals, where they list that he ran a 4.9. Obviously, a big difference there.

I remember back in the early 2000s, Oregon State had two receivers, Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmanzadeh, who just ran all over and past Notre Dame's defense in the Fiesta Bowl. Neither ran well at the combine a few months later. Johnson ran 4.54 and Houshmanzadeh ran somewhere in the high 4.6s. Both looked plenty fast in their NFL careers though. Johnson, in particular, outran alot of players with better 40 times than his.

I'm not saying 40 times don't matter, but I really wish people here would stop considering them as being the definitive determiner of a player's speed. The fact that one guy ran a 4.8 and one guy ran a 4.9 once in high school, is pretty much irrelevant as to who is truly faster in a game in pads on a football field.
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In the overall scheme of things, how significant is 4.8 to 4.9? I know football is a game of inches, but if all things were equal, I don't see how choosing the faster of the two will mean the difference between a win or a loss on any given Saturday.
 
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