Increase Class Size - Layoff Teachers

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#128
Vocational programs can all be called 'college' though. I went through one and had an internship and everything. It wad great, except that after three years I decided it wasn't my calling.
 
#129
#129
An awesome resource: Shift | Facts

Shocking fact is that many states plan for future prison capacity based on 3rd grade reading levels.

IMO, the biggest problem in our education system is that we have a lot of bad teachers. Disclosure: Almost everyone in my family are teachers.
 
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milohimself said:
Vocational programs can all be called 'college' though. I went through one and had an internship and everything. It wad great, except that after three years I decided it wasn't my calling.
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That's cool though, you have some sort of skilled training in your backpocket.. which is always a good thing.
 
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#131
milohimself said:
Vocational programs can all be called 'college' though. I went through one and had an internship and everything. It wad great, except that after three years I decided it wasn't my calling.
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I could see calling them schools but college just has a little different meaning
 
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HSVol said:
An awesome resource: Shift | Facts

Shocking fact is that many states plan for future prison capacity based on 3rd grade reading levels.

IMO, the biggest problem in our education system is that we have a lot of bad teachers. Disclosure: Almost everyone in my family are teachers.
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You are correct.. there are some horrible teachers out there, but as long as we have local politics and the "good ole boy" system, it isn't going to change. I do agree with tougher tenures, that will help to a certain degree.
 
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#133
utvolpj said:
my mom had classes of 30+ even in the early 90's. It's not a new problem

I say if you don't want to learn then you get put to work or learning a trade. Without an education we'll just get you started on the fryer early
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Completely agree
 
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dreVol said:
I believe they do that in France as well. College isn't for everybody. That's not mean or elitist, that's reality.
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The notion that college is for everybody results in a bunch of debt for young 20-somethings with no jobs available to them.
 
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utvolpj said:
that happens when you major in Sanskrit
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Double major: communications and sociology.

I have a friend who is currently double majoring in philosophy and political science, and planning on a masters (he doesn't know what yet). I don't even know what to tell him. He doesn't have any skills/experience that make him suitable for a normal private sector 9-5. He's 30 and he just married a lady with 3 kids. I don't know what the future holds for him, but I don't expect him to get a good return on his education.
 
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#138
I have a friend who double majored in philosophy and polisci as well, with a minor in film. She just moved to new york and got a job with a production studio and should be attending nyu law soon.

So it can be done, even from a mostly second rate university like mine. To be fair though, she graduated with a gpa of like 3.97
 
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milohimself said:
I have a friend who double majored in philosophy and polisci as well, with a minor in film. She just moved to new york and got a job with a production studio and should be attending nyu law soon.

So it can be done, even from a mostly second rate university like mine. To be fair though, she graduated with a gpa of like 3.97
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Philosophy and poli sci are both very good options if you plan a career path like this. Coincidentally my best friend goes to NYU law school right now, and his undergrad was in Arabic Studies. You can do just about anything for your bachelor's degree if you have a solid post-grad plan.
 
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#140
law school is a great option, except that the law school and legal career bubble is about to burst.
 
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#141
Scotty's Flat Top said:
You are correct.. there are some horrible teachers out there, but as long as we have local politics and the "good ole boy" system, it isn't going to change. I do agree with tougher tenures, that will help to a certain degree.
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I can't understand why non-university level teachers should have tenure. Someone, somewhere totally disregarded tenure's original purpose and decided that elementary school teachers have equal concern as
university faculty for academic persecution
 
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#142
In general I agree with the idea of tenure for all public teachers, but not just earning it after x amount of time. Lengthier spans and strict review ought to be part of the process
 
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dreVol said:
I can't understand why non-university level teachers should have tenure. Someone, somewhere totally disregarded tenure's original purpose and decided that elementary school teachers have equal concern as
university faculty for academic persecution
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Or any teachers for that matter....

When my Dad became a tenured professor, the first think he said to me was, "The only way I could lose my job now is by sleeping with a student." He's joking because he likes his work almost as much as golfing, but it is somewhat representative of what actually happens. He said that tenured professors at his school rarely put in half the research non-tenured professors do.

Professors get tenured and often stop caring.
 
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nbakerld said:
Or any teachers for that matter....

When my Dad became a tenured professor, the first think he said to me was, "The only way I could lose my job now is by sleeping with a student." He's joking because he likes his work almost as much as golfing, but it is somewhat representative of what actually happens. He said that tenured professors at his school rarely put in half the research non-tenured professors do.

Professors get tenured and often stop caring.
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I have an easier time accepting the notion of tenure for university level faculty, but I can see the dangers with tenure at the conceptual level
 
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milohimself said:
In general I agree with the idea of tenure for all public teachers, but not just earning it after x amount of time. Lengthier spans and strict review ought to be part of the process
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Now it is in Tennessee. Use to be after 3 years any Tom, Dick, or Harry could be tenured.. And practically untouchable. Not anymore though, thank God.
 
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dreVol said:
I can't understand why non-university level teachers should have tenure. Someone, somewhere totally disregarded tenure's original purpose and decided that elementary school teachers have equal concern as
university faculty for academic persecution
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Well I think if deserving, tenures are a good thing but they should be not be abused. Which is the problem because it is human nature to be complacent when secure.

I am for tenures, but like someone said it shouldn't be determined after a certain amount of time, but after certain goals have been met and possibly have tenures renewed based on performance bi-annually or so
 
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#147
College is not for job training. It is for higher learning. While some paths do end up as job training that is not the purpose for their existence. This is a major misconception held by the majority of the country. If you want job training go to a tech school.
 
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WG53 said:
College is not for job training. It is for higher learning. While some paths do end up as job training that is not the purpose for their existence. This is a major misconception held by the majority of the country. If you want job training go to a tech school.
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And not ITT Tech, you'll be up **** creek without a paddle after you get laid off.
 
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WG53 said:
College is not for job training. It is for higher learning. While some paths do end up as job training that is not the purpose for their existence. This is a major misconception held by the majority of the country. If you want job training go to a tech school.
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Is that not the same thing? If one gets a psychology degree is he not more educated but also better prepared for a job in the field?
 
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lylsmorr said:
Is that not the same thing? If one gets a psychology degree is he not more educated but also better prepared for a job in the field?
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No, it is not the same thing. Job training focuses solely on the skills needed for a vocation therefore narrow in scope. Higher learning is not focused solely on one type of learning and has broader applications.

Also a bachelors in psychology is quite useless. A masters or doctorate is what you need in that field.
 
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